1 00:00:27,069 --> 00:00:29,830 Religulous Bill Maher Documentary Comedy 2008720p [H246-mp4] English 2 00:00:37,570 --> 00:00:38,760 This is it. 3 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,360 I'm standing on the very spot 4 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,570 where many Christians believe the world will come to an end. 5 00:00:43,610 --> 00:00:45,370 It's called Megiddo. 6 00:00:45,410 --> 00:00:47,840 And it's the place that the Book of Revelation says 7 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,000 Jesus Christ will come down to 8 00:00:50,050 --> 00:00:53,170 to end the world and save the people who believe in him. 9 00:00:53,220 --> 00:00:55,710 Now when Revelations was written, 10 00:00:55,750 --> 00:00:58,690 only God had the capacity to end the world, 11 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,920 but now man does too, because unfortunately, 12 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,290 before man figured out how to be rational 13 00:01:04,330 --> 00:01:07,230 or peaceful, he figured out nuclear weapons 14 00:01:07,260 --> 00:01:09,820 and how to pollute on a catastrophic scale. 15 00:01:09,870 --> 00:01:11,990 And if it's one thing I hate more than prophecy, 16 00:01:12,030 --> 00:01:14,530 it's self-fulfilling prophecy. 17 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,440 Sometimes in your search for happiness, 18 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,970 you ponder the meaning of your life. 19 00:01:23,010 --> 00:01:25,640 Who am I? How did I come to be? 20 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,550 Death, and then what? 21 00:01:30,190 --> 00:01:32,850 I certainly honestly believe 22 00:01:32,890 --> 00:01:35,150 religion is detrimental 23 00:01:35,190 --> 00:01:37,160 to the progress of humanity. 24 00:01:37,190 --> 00:01:39,660 You know, it's just selling an invisible product. 25 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:41,750 It's too easy. 26 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,820 These questions about what happens when you die, 27 00:01:44,870 --> 00:01:48,430 they so freak people out 28 00:01:48,470 --> 00:01:51,130 that they will just make up any story 29 00:01:51,170 --> 00:01:52,940 and cling to it. 30 00:01:52,980 --> 00:01:55,100 You know, things that they know 31 00:01:55,140 --> 00:01:57,940 can't be true, people who are otherwise 32 00:01:57,980 --> 00:02:00,380 so rational about everything else, 33 00:02:00,420 --> 00:02:02,210 and then they believe that 34 00:02:02,250 --> 00:02:04,850 on Sunday they're drinking the blood 35 00:02:04,890 --> 00:02:07,080 of a 2,000-year-old God. 36 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,560 I can't... that's a dissonance in my head. 37 00:02:10,590 --> 00:02:13,120 I can't... I have to find out. 38 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,560 I just have to find out. I have to try. 39 00:02:40,590 --> 00:02:43,920 This is the Mount of Olives. This is Jesus's footprints. 40 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:45,720 We're here freezing our ass off. 41 00:02:51,900 --> 00:02:54,200 Is there anybody on the stage that 42 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,700 - does not believe in evolution? - Yeah. 43 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:02,080 Hurry hurry hurry. 44 00:03:05,250 --> 00:03:07,040 - I like my hat. - You look good too. 45 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,340 Welcome to Bible Country! 46 00:03:10,390 --> 00:03:12,380 "Birthplace of the Virgin Mary"? 47 00:03:15,260 --> 00:03:18,020 I believe that God wants everybody to be free. 48 00:03:18,060 --> 00:03:20,030 That's what I believe, 49 00:03:20,060 --> 00:03:23,730 and that's one part of my foreign policy. 50 00:03:25,970 --> 00:03:27,960 Bill, watch out. 51 00:03:31,470 --> 00:03:33,810 Boy, do I feel cheap. 52 00:03:39,110 --> 00:03:41,280 I want to thank God for just blessing me so much. 53 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,250 Music has been a blessing from God. 54 00:03:43,290 --> 00:03:45,310 Thank you, Jesus! 55 00:03:45,350 --> 00:03:49,220 You need a Holy Ghost enema right up your rear end! 56 00:03:59,370 --> 00:04:01,630 The archives are there on the fifth floor where you see the curtains. 57 00:04:01,670 --> 00:04:03,870 Yeah, put that away now. Put that away. 58 00:04:06,410 --> 00:04:08,600 If you look at my stand-up 59 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,240 from like the '80s... that era... 60 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,340 early '90s, 61 00:04:14,380 --> 00:04:18,180 I talked about religion, but I'm not ever questioning God. 62 00:04:18,220 --> 00:04:20,620 I'm just making fun about things 63 00:04:20,660 --> 00:04:22,780 in the religion... circumcision. 64 00:04:22,830 --> 00:04:24,590 Circumcision... I mean, I would've loved 65 00:04:24,630 --> 00:04:28,030 to have been there for the first people to hear about this. 66 00:04:28,060 --> 00:04:30,530 We're used to it now, but you know, I mean, 67 00:04:30,570 --> 00:04:32,430 I'm sure when Moses came down with this idea, 68 00:04:32,470 --> 00:04:34,870 there had to be one guy going, 69 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:37,100 "Let me get this straight." 70 00:04:37,140 --> 00:04:39,470 It was just a gentle poking fun at Him. 71 00:04:39,510 --> 00:04:41,440 It's almost like I'm roasting Him. 72 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,140 My mother is Jewish and my father is Catholic. That is the truth. 73 00:04:44,180 --> 00:04:45,940 I was raised Catholic formally, 74 00:04:45,980 --> 00:04:48,280 although I must say the Jewish mind comes out 75 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,550 even in the Catholic system. I'll give you an example. 76 00:04:50,590 --> 00:04:52,350 We used to go into confession 77 00:04:52,390 --> 00:04:54,980 and I would bring a lawyer in with me. 78 00:04:59,500 --> 00:05:01,790 You know. 79 00:05:01,830 --> 00:05:03,420 Bless me, Father, for I have sinned. 80 00:05:03,470 --> 00:05:05,630 I think you know Mr. Cohen. 81 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,340 So let me get out some pictures. 82 00:05:12,370 --> 00:05:14,210 There's me. 83 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,470 We weren't brought up Jewish. 84 00:05:16,510 --> 00:05:19,640 I didn't even know we had that side, 85 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,710 so it was very Catholic. 86 00:05:21,750 --> 00:05:23,910 We went to church every Sunday, 87 00:05:23,950 --> 00:05:26,220 but I wouldn't take off the gun 88 00:05:26,260 --> 00:05:27,980 and really when I think back, 89 00:05:28,020 --> 00:05:30,360 it wasn't relevant to my life. 90 00:05:30,390 --> 00:05:34,020 Superman was relevant and baseball. 91 00:05:34,060 --> 00:05:36,620 We had this family 92 00:05:36,670 --> 00:05:38,960 where one person was Jewish 93 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,100 and the other three were Catholic. 94 00:05:42,140 --> 00:05:45,110 Now there it says "A Sunday noon, fall '66," 95 00:05:45,140 --> 00:05:48,740 so we must've just gotten back from church, 96 00:05:48,780 --> 00:05:50,870 'cause I'm in a red suit 97 00:05:50,910 --> 00:05:53,850 and you're choking the dog. 98 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,580 And I guess we got home from church and took a picture with you. 99 00:05:57,620 --> 00:05:59,610 It never occurred to me to say, 100 00:05:59,660 --> 00:06:00,860 "Why didn't you go to church?" 101 00:06:00,890 --> 00:06:02,220 Mom... 102 00:06:02,260 --> 00:06:04,890 what church do we belong to? 103 00:06:04,930 --> 00:06:07,020 I don't remember this ever coming up. 104 00:06:07,060 --> 00:06:09,030 Of course you didn't go to church with us. 105 00:06:09,060 --> 00:06:11,690 No, we never had a family discussion about it, never. 106 00:06:11,730 --> 00:06:13,630 We never had a family discussion about that. 107 00:06:13,670 --> 00:06:17,130 Every family is dysfunctional. 108 00:06:17,170 --> 00:06:20,470 So you thought even this, which wasn't your religion, 109 00:06:20,510 --> 00:06:22,740 was better than no religion. 110 00:06:22,780 --> 00:06:26,150 Well, even this only told you good things... 111 00:06:26,180 --> 00:06:27,770 I thought. 112 00:06:27,820 --> 00:06:30,980 But it's just so shamelessly invented as they go along. 113 00:06:31,020 --> 00:06:34,610 - We can say that now. - Was anyone... 114 00:06:34,660 --> 00:06:37,020 When we quit the church, I was 13, 115 00:06:37,060 --> 00:06:40,460 and I was of course thrilled, but not for any ideological reason. 116 00:06:40,500 --> 00:06:42,460 I was just thrilled 'cause I hated church. 117 00:06:42,500 --> 00:06:44,330 It scared me. It was boring. 118 00:06:44,370 --> 00:06:46,230 I had to get up on Sunday. 119 00:06:46,270 --> 00:06:47,860 I was 13. 120 00:06:47,900 --> 00:06:50,240 I would've worshiped anything that could've allowed me 121 00:06:50,270 --> 00:06:53,110 to masturbate even more than I was masturbating 122 00:06:53,140 --> 00:06:56,940 or get a girl. That god I would have definitely worshipped. 123 00:06:56,980 --> 00:06:58,970 Why do you remember 124 00:06:59,010 --> 00:07:01,850 Dad stopped going to church? 125 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,350 We used birth control, 126 00:07:04,390 --> 00:07:07,620 and the church frowned on birth control. 127 00:07:07,660 --> 00:07:09,620 That was the biggest sin 128 00:07:09,660 --> 00:07:12,960 - you could ever commit. - Right, that would... 129 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,590 I think that was possibly... he never said it to me. 130 00:07:16,630 --> 00:07:19,760 And he never went back. None of us ever did. 131 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,290 So now that we don't believe, 132 00:07:22,340 --> 00:07:23,960 where did... 133 00:07:24,010 --> 00:07:25,840 Nobody said we don't believe. 134 00:07:25,870 --> 00:07:27,670 We don't believe in Catholicism. 135 00:07:30,110 --> 00:07:33,310 Right, but what do we believe in now? 136 00:07:33,350 --> 00:07:35,750 Come on. You're my mother, instruct me. 137 00:07:37,150 --> 00:07:39,140 I don't know the answer to that. 138 00:07:39,190 --> 00:07:40,620 That's my answer. 139 00:07:40,660 --> 00:07:43,890 We'll take some back roads to see 140 00:07:43,930 --> 00:07:46,160 - some interesting stuff out here. - Take some back roads. 141 00:07:46,190 --> 00:07:48,530 We are heading toward Raleigh, right? 142 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,000 Oh, yeah, man, can't you feel it? 143 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,720 Do I stand up here? So as I was going here, 144 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,490 I just jotted down a few questions that came to my mind. 145 00:08:18,530 --> 00:08:21,460 Are you ever bothered by many things 146 00:08:21,500 --> 00:08:24,230 that are in Christianity that are not in the Bible? 147 00:08:24,270 --> 00:08:26,930 Like original sin. 148 00:08:26,970 --> 00:08:28,700 Immaculate conception. 149 00:08:28,740 --> 00:08:32,670 The virgin birth is only in two of the Gospels... popes. 150 00:08:32,710 --> 00:08:35,730 Are you worried that these things came not from the founders, 151 00:08:35,780 --> 00:08:38,080 the people that wrote this book, but from... 152 00:08:38,110 --> 00:08:40,240 and this is indisputable... but from men, 153 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,220 from human beings who came after? 154 00:08:42,250 --> 00:08:44,780 And when I say men, I mean people with penises. 155 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,620 If you wanna go back to scientific proof, 156 00:08:48,660 --> 00:08:50,650 I think it was determined the shroud or whatever that was 157 00:08:50,690 --> 00:08:52,220 went around a while back... I didn't get involved. 158 00:08:52,260 --> 00:08:55,230 - Shroud of Turin? - They took blood samples from it, 159 00:08:55,260 --> 00:08:57,290 and it was female blood with a male figure. 160 00:08:57,330 --> 00:08:59,800 Okay, the only possible way that could happen was 161 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,900 that the Holy Ghost impregnated Mary 162 00:09:02,940 --> 00:09:04,910 because it would've been female blood 163 00:09:04,940 --> 00:09:07,300 because it would've been the only blood flowing through her. 164 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,500 - It's a faith thing. - But why is faith good? 165 00:09:11,550 --> 00:09:14,040 Why is believing something without evidence good? 166 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:15,810 I don't like the way this thing's going. 167 00:09:15,850 --> 00:09:17,820 I don't know what this documentary's supposed to be, 168 00:09:17,850 --> 00:09:19,450 but I don't like where you're going. 169 00:09:19,490 --> 00:09:22,720 You start disputing my God, 170 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,060 and you got a problem. I don't know what you... 171 00:09:26,090 --> 00:09:29,390 I'm outta here. You do what you wanna do, but I'm outta here. 172 00:09:32,270 --> 00:09:34,760 - I'm just asking questions. - Okay, no problem. 173 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,670 When I've seen what I've seen, I know there's a God. 174 00:09:37,710 --> 00:09:40,610 You can't change my mind. Nobody can change my mind. 175 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,670 I walked for 30 years as a Satanist priest. 176 00:09:43,710 --> 00:09:45,840 From the time I grew up, I was in Satanism. 177 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,350 For the last six years, that I was into Satanism, 178 00:09:48,380 --> 00:09:50,480 I was a Satanist priest, okay? 179 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,610 - Real Satanism? - Yes, real Satanism. 180 00:09:52,650 --> 00:09:55,620 Being addicted to drugs, and running prostitutes 181 00:09:55,660 --> 00:09:57,680 and the women and everything that goes with that. 182 00:09:57,730 --> 00:10:00,090 I walked around with rolls of money in my pocket. 183 00:10:00,130 --> 00:10:02,430 I gave all that up when I got saved. 184 00:10:02,460 --> 00:10:04,490 When the guy said, "Yeah, I used to do drugs. 185 00:10:04,530 --> 00:10:07,990 I used to have women," and I'm thinking, 186 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,340 - "And your problem was?" - Right. 187 00:10:11,370 --> 00:10:12,670 Let me ask you this question: 188 00:10:12,710 --> 00:10:14,000 What if we're right and you're wrong? 189 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,340 We gonna make it and you ain't. 190 00:10:16,380 --> 00:10:18,370 If you're being good just to save your ass 191 00:10:18,410 --> 00:10:20,710 just because, "Ooh, they might be right" 192 00:10:20,750 --> 00:10:23,380 and I just want to double down here 193 00:10:23,420 --> 00:10:25,720 and make sure that when I get up to the pearly gates, 194 00:10:25,750 --> 00:10:27,750 that St. Peter doesn't say to me, 195 00:10:27,790 --> 00:10:29,720 'Sorry, asshole, you had the wrong religion. 196 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,820 Enjoy Hell, buh-bye."' 197 00:10:31,860 --> 00:10:33,830 That's not a good reason, and you know that. 198 00:10:33,860 --> 00:10:36,020 Come on, believe in Jesus. What do you have to lose? 199 00:10:36,060 --> 00:10:38,060 It's like the lotto. 200 00:10:38,100 --> 00:10:40,570 You can't get saved if you don't play. 201 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,300 Yeah, you could be right. I don't think it's very likely, 202 00:10:43,340 --> 00:10:46,640 but, yes, you could be right, because my big thing is I don't know. 203 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:47,870 That's what I preach. 204 00:10:47,910 --> 00:10:50,900 I preach the gospel of I don't know! 205 00:10:50,950 --> 00:10:53,380 I mean that's what I'm here promoting... doubt. 206 00:10:53,420 --> 00:10:54,780 - That's my product. - Right. 207 00:10:54,820 --> 00:10:57,750 The other guys are selling certainty, not me. 208 00:10:57,790 --> 00:10:59,720 I'm on the corner with doubt. 209 00:10:59,750 --> 00:11:01,310 So, Dr. Collins, 210 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,790 you are a brilliant brilliant scientist, 211 00:11:03,830 --> 00:11:06,390 the head of the Human Genome Project. 212 00:11:06,430 --> 00:11:09,630 Now here's what's so puzzling is that you are 213 00:11:09,660 --> 00:11:11,390 the one scientist... 214 00:11:11,430 --> 00:11:13,160 the one famous scientist anyway... 215 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,000 who's also religious. Explain that to me. 216 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,200 I would argue that if you look at the evidence, 217 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,010 the historical evidence of Christ's existence is overwhelming. 218 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,870 What evidence? 219 00:11:23,910 --> 00:11:27,400 I mean, I've never even heard anyone propose that there's evidence. 220 00:11:27,450 --> 00:11:29,180 There's been proof that there's a Jesus. 221 00:11:29,220 --> 00:11:31,520 - That's been proven. - That hasn't been proven. 222 00:11:31,550 --> 00:11:34,350 How you figure that one? 223 00:11:34,390 --> 00:11:35,860 When I read the New Testament, 224 00:11:35,890 --> 00:11:38,760 it reads to me as the record of eyewitnesses 225 00:11:38,790 --> 00:11:40,120 who put down what they saw. 226 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,220 You know they weren't eyewitnesses. 227 00:11:42,260 --> 00:11:44,290 - They were close to that. - No. 228 00:11:44,330 --> 00:11:47,060 Within a couple of decades of eyewitnesses. 229 00:11:47,100 --> 00:11:50,040 - Okay. - Would that stand up in a laboratory 230 00:11:50,070 --> 00:11:53,340 as absolute foolproof evidence 231 00:11:53,380 --> 00:11:54,930 that something happened? 232 00:11:54,980 --> 00:11:57,410 You are setting up a standard for proof 233 00:11:57,450 --> 00:12:00,740 that I think would really be an almost impossible standard to meet. 234 00:12:00,780 --> 00:12:04,310 No gospel tells us what he was doing when he was a young man. 235 00:12:04,350 --> 00:12:06,550 You know, we see Jesus as an infant 236 00:12:06,590 --> 00:12:10,150 and then we kind of pick up the story when he's 30. 237 00:12:10,190 --> 00:12:12,490 I think Jesus was probably an awkward teenager... 238 00:12:12,530 --> 00:12:15,760 big Jewfro, bad at sports. 239 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,160 Here I am! 240 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,790 The records we have are all gospels. 241 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,960 Gospels are not history. 242 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,130 Gospel writers never met Jesus, neither did St. Paul. 243 00:12:26,170 --> 00:12:28,170 No one who wrote about Jesus ever met him. 244 00:12:28,210 --> 00:12:30,180 How can you go back into the prophets 245 00:12:30,210 --> 00:12:32,340 and the prophets specifically specifies that certain things... 246 00:12:32,380 --> 00:12:33,900 Well, first of all, 247 00:12:33,950 --> 00:12:36,470 the New Testament came after the Old Testament. We agree to that? 248 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,750 I agree to that, but that doesn't mean anything. 249 00:12:38,790 --> 00:12:40,980 All it means is the people that wrote the New Testament 250 00:12:41,020 --> 00:12:44,420 read the Old Testament and then made the prophesies fit. 251 00:12:44,460 --> 00:12:46,020 They can't make it fit if something didn't happen. 252 00:12:46,060 --> 00:12:47,690 Of course they can. 253 00:12:47,730 --> 00:12:49,920 Then you're saying the Bible is fictitious? 254 00:12:49,970 --> 00:12:51,590 - I am. - Can't be. 255 00:12:51,630 --> 00:12:53,160 I am. 256 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,360 We do all know that those texts don't match. 257 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,430 Yeah, sure. Would you expect them to? 258 00:12:57,470 --> 00:13:00,530 I'm surprised that things that are very important to the story 259 00:13:00,580 --> 00:13:03,170 like the virgin birth isn't in all four of them. 260 00:13:03,210 --> 00:13:06,580 Wouldn't you really expect that kind of discordance when you're 261 00:13:06,610 --> 00:13:09,380 thinking about the way in which these documents came into being? 262 00:13:09,420 --> 00:13:12,510 But you'd think if you were one of Christ's biographers, 263 00:13:12,550 --> 00:13:16,180 that would be sort of an important thing not to leave out. 264 00:13:16,220 --> 00:13:19,350 Oh, God, he was also born of a virgin. 265 00:13:19,390 --> 00:13:21,620 They don't notice the virgin birth. 266 00:13:21,660 --> 00:13:25,620 You know, I think that is something if you were any sort of reporter 267 00:13:25,670 --> 00:13:27,530 you'd put into the story. 268 00:13:27,570 --> 00:13:31,340 What editor looks at the facts and goes, "Yeah, but take out the thing 269 00:13:31,370 --> 00:13:35,070 about the virgin birth. That's not interesting." 270 00:13:35,110 --> 00:13:37,240 I think being without faith 271 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,470 is something that's a luxury 272 00:13:39,510 --> 00:13:41,610 for people who were fortunate enough 273 00:13:41,650 --> 00:13:43,480 to have a fortunate life. 274 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,080 You know, you go to prison 275 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,350 and you hear a guy say, "You know what, buddy? 276 00:13:47,390 --> 00:13:48,980 I got nothing but Jesus in here." 277 00:13:49,020 --> 00:13:51,320 I completely understand that. 278 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,590 I think not having faith is a luxury sometimes. 279 00:13:54,630 --> 00:13:57,530 If you're in a foxhole, you probably have a lot of faith, right? 280 00:13:57,570 --> 00:13:59,330 - Mm-hmm. - So I get that. 281 00:13:59,370 --> 00:14:02,100 But you guys aren't dumb. You're smart people. 282 00:14:02,140 --> 00:14:03,660 How can smart people... 283 00:14:03,710 --> 00:14:06,170 how can they believe in the talking snake, 284 00:14:06,210 --> 00:14:08,900 people living to 900 years old and the virgin birth? 285 00:14:08,940 --> 00:14:11,070 And you know, that's my question. 286 00:14:11,110 --> 00:14:12,670 You guys have your own questions. 287 00:14:12,710 --> 00:14:14,240 Pray for me. 288 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,010 Father, in the name of Jesus and by the power of the Holy Spirit, 289 00:14:17,050 --> 00:14:19,250 we ask right now, Lord, as we lift up Bill to You, Father, 290 00:14:19,290 --> 00:14:22,120 that You can answer his questions that we can't answer. 291 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,130 Father, we thank You right now for the opportunity 292 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,290 that has come today, 293 00:14:26,330 --> 00:14:28,960 that we may voice our opinions and hear others. 294 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,660 So we ask You, Lord, to touch 295 00:14:30,700 --> 00:14:33,670 and feel wisdom right now in the name of Jesus. 296 00:14:33,700 --> 00:14:35,760 And we thank You for it in Jesus's name, amen. 297 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,970 Thank you for being Christlike, and not just Christian. 298 00:14:39,010 --> 00:14:42,410 Okay. Hey, my wallet! 299 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,210 No, I'm kidding. 300 00:14:45,250 --> 00:14:49,050 You see so many nice people trying to make it about 301 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,810 something good 302 00:14:50,850 --> 00:14:53,380 and yet it turns into not just corrupt, 303 00:14:53,420 --> 00:14:56,620 but, like, fucking-little-kids corrupt 304 00:14:56,660 --> 00:14:59,020 and burning-people-alive cor... 305 00:14:59,060 --> 00:15:01,590 I mean, really evil shit. 306 00:15:01,630 --> 00:15:04,430 I'd like to see 10,000 people 307 00:15:04,470 --> 00:15:05,960 give $10,000. 308 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,470 Write your biggest check and send it in. 309 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:11,300 We got people on welfare that's got enough faith to make a $1,000 vow 310 00:15:11,340 --> 00:15:15,300 - and paying it! - I want to be in the green, Lord! 311 00:15:17,150 --> 00:15:20,640 What I'm about to say is revelation. 312 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,810 I got it on DVD. And I have it on DVD. 313 00:15:22,850 --> 00:15:25,220 And you need to get this. Hallelujah! 314 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,390 Hallelujah! 315 00:15:34,530 --> 00:15:36,430 Reverend. Is that what I call you? 316 00:15:36,460 --> 00:15:38,830 No, just call me... doctor. 317 00:15:38,870 --> 00:15:40,960 - Doctor? - Yeah. 318 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,490 All right, Doc. First of all, I have to tell you, when I heard that 319 00:15:44,540 --> 00:15:46,700 you were in Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes, 320 00:15:46,740 --> 00:15:48,940 I was like, "That's my man." 321 00:15:53,050 --> 00:15:55,380 And it's funny, because that lyric 322 00:15:55,420 --> 00:15:57,440 can be interpreted religiously. 323 00:15:57,490 --> 00:15:59,450 "If you don't know me by now." Right? 324 00:15:59,490 --> 00:16:01,220 I mean, you must've thought of that. 325 00:16:01,260 --> 00:16:03,550 The song did go platinum. 326 00:16:05,390 --> 00:16:07,360 Teddy Pendergrass, who led the song, 327 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,890 he was ordained a minister when he was 10 years old. 328 00:16:09,930 --> 00:16:12,300 What do you think it says about religion 329 00:16:12,330 --> 00:16:14,270 and how serious it is 330 00:16:14,300 --> 00:16:16,460 if you can be a minister when you're 10? 331 00:16:19,670 --> 00:16:23,240 But there is a comparison to be made between 332 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,470 musical stars, rock stars 333 00:16:25,510 --> 00:16:27,850 and religious figures. They very often both dress 334 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,150 - in elaborate costumes... - Mm-hmm. 335 00:16:30,190 --> 00:16:32,020 That get people's attention. 336 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,360 People in a congregation 337 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,730 must know that the outfit was financed 338 00:16:49,770 --> 00:16:52,740 by their donations, and it doesn't seem to bother them. 339 00:16:52,770 --> 00:16:54,830 I always dress well. 340 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,070 I see! Are those gators? 341 00:16:57,110 --> 00:16:58,700 Those are lizards. 342 00:16:58,750 --> 00:17:00,410 - Lizards? - Yes. 343 00:17:00,450 --> 00:17:03,710 - What do they run? - They don't run. They crawl. 344 00:17:05,650 --> 00:17:07,710 And I see you got a lot of bling. 345 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,560 I like gold. The people want you to look well. 346 00:17:11,590 --> 00:17:13,560 That's what pimps say about their women. 347 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,930 I was told by one of the greatest pimps that ever lived... 348 00:17:16,970 --> 00:17:20,260 his name is called God... 349 00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:21,430 that if you know what you got, 350 00:17:21,470 --> 00:17:23,440 then you ain't got much. 351 00:17:23,470 --> 00:17:25,370 Jesus dressed very well. 352 00:17:25,410 --> 00:17:27,470 Oh, come on. 353 00:17:27,510 --> 00:17:29,810 - Where is the Biblical evidence? - Wait a minute. 354 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,040 When he was born, they brought him gold. 355 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,550 They brought him gold. He was not poor. 356 00:17:34,580 --> 00:17:37,020 So my image of Jesus as a man 357 00:17:37,050 --> 00:17:39,080 who championed the poor and walked around 358 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:42,560 in simple garb, that's wrong? 359 00:17:42,590 --> 00:17:44,720 It was linen. It was fine linen. 360 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,280 - Really? - Yeah. 361 00:17:46,330 --> 00:17:49,820 But Jesus constantly preaches against rich people. 362 00:17:49,860 --> 00:17:52,260 The Bible does not speak against being rich. 363 00:17:52,300 --> 00:17:55,000 - Jesus does. Very plainly. - No no. 364 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,160 Jesus was very very against the rich. 365 00:17:58,210 --> 00:18:01,470 He never preached against being poor. Blessed are the poor in spirit, for... 366 00:18:01,510 --> 00:18:03,310 No, he preached against being rich. 367 00:18:03,340 --> 00:18:05,970 No no no, he said that it's better for a rich man... 368 00:18:06,010 --> 00:18:09,470 than a rich man to enter... 369 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,280 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle 370 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,790 than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom. 371 00:18:15,820 --> 00:18:19,450 Okay, but now things like houses and cars 372 00:18:19,490 --> 00:18:21,990 and clothes and money, 373 00:18:22,030 --> 00:18:24,330 they come as a result 374 00:18:24,370 --> 00:18:26,530 of my seeking God first. 375 00:18:26,570 --> 00:18:28,540 I don't remember that 376 00:18:28,570 --> 00:18:30,160 in the New Testament specifically. 377 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,230 But it's there. I remember it. 378 00:18:32,270 --> 00:18:33,800 The houses, the cars 379 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:34,830 and the clothes, they'll come. 380 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,180 Yeah, money comes, money happens, you know. 381 00:18:38,210 --> 00:18:41,700 Well, money happens for you because they're giving it up to you. 382 00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:44,010 You're not giving it up to them. 383 00:18:44,050 --> 00:18:45,310 Let me set the record straight. 384 00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:47,510 I do not receive a salary from the church. 385 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,720 I do not take a salary from the church. 386 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,380 - You take it right out of the pot. - No no no. 387 00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:53,190 It's such a powerful position. 388 00:18:53,230 --> 00:18:55,460 I mean, you hold people's 389 00:18:55,500 --> 00:18:59,060 greatest hopes and dreams in the palm of your hand, really. 390 00:18:59,100 --> 00:19:01,930 Certainly, some of the young women must get a crush on you. 391 00:19:04,970 --> 00:19:08,000 Probably. I would too if I was out there. 392 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,770 If I was a woman, I'd probably have a crush on me, too. 393 00:19:10,810 --> 00:19:12,840 That's keepin' it real. 394 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,580 Now I can advise other young men about women, because I've been there. 395 00:19:16,620 --> 00:19:19,310 I had a young man who was about to go crazy over a woman. 396 00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:21,020 He was about to kill himself, you know? 397 00:19:21,060 --> 00:19:24,180 I said, "That kind of passion, you should have for God." 398 00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:27,130 I said, "Turn that to God and see what happens." 399 00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:34,190 St. Paul, for example, whom I know you compare yourself to. 400 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,260 People do. 401 00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:39,100 But he famously only wore on his back 402 00:19:39,140 --> 00:19:41,540 the clothes that he owned. 403 00:19:41,580 --> 00:19:43,200 - Should I assume that this is... - He was always on the run. 404 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,910 This is your only $2,000 suit? 405 00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:49,010 The gentleman who made this suit for me 406 00:19:49,050 --> 00:19:51,110 owns a clothing store. 407 00:19:51,150 --> 00:19:53,380 Mr. Kane, you in the house? 408 00:19:53,420 --> 00:19:56,190 The prices that I get my clothes for... 409 00:19:56,220 --> 00:19:59,020 - you know, I'm blessed in that area. - Yes, you are. 410 00:19:59,060 --> 00:20:02,790 I'm more blessed than I've ever been all the days of my life. 411 00:20:02,830 --> 00:20:06,060 And the owner is a Muslim, which... I came out of Islam. 412 00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:09,830 I know, I think it's very interesting that you're a Christian now, 413 00:20:09,870 --> 00:20:12,340 you were a Muslim and when you get your clothes, 414 00:20:12,370 --> 00:20:16,070 you buy them like a Jew. 415 00:20:16,110 --> 00:20:18,600 And action! 416 00:20:18,650 --> 00:20:21,510 That's right... behind me and above me is the original Twin Cities, 417 00:20:21,550 --> 00:20:22,710 Sodom and Gomorrah. 418 00:20:22,750 --> 00:20:25,010 Apparently, it was a pretty wicked place. 419 00:20:25,050 --> 00:20:26,750 How wicked? 420 00:20:26,790 --> 00:20:29,260 Well let's just say that what happened in Gomorrah, 421 00:20:29,290 --> 00:20:30,920 stayed in Gomorrah. 422 00:20:35,330 --> 00:20:36,820 That is until God got wind of it, 423 00:20:36,860 --> 00:20:39,490 so he sent two angels to investigate. 424 00:20:39,530 --> 00:20:41,500 Now the angels went to the house 425 00:20:41,540 --> 00:20:44,270 of the one godly man in town... Lot. 426 00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:48,000 And the townspeople tried to rape them. 427 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,200 Now Lot, 428 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,110 not wanting his town to get the reputation 429 00:20:53,150 --> 00:20:56,780 as the kind of place that would rape angels, 430 00:20:56,820 --> 00:21:00,450 offered up to the mob his own daughters to rape. 431 00:21:00,490 --> 00:21:03,010 And he was the good guy in town. 432 00:21:03,060 --> 00:21:05,120 Which brings me to this question: 433 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,420 If I ever had to swear an oath, 434 00:21:08,460 --> 00:21:10,430 why would I want to put my hand 435 00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:13,490 on the King James Bible? 436 00:21:13,530 --> 00:21:16,700 I think I could find more morality in the Rick James Bible. 437 00:21:19,970 --> 00:21:22,170 God hates fags. 438 00:21:22,210 --> 00:21:25,870 The Constitution does not grant to homosexuals 439 00:21:25,910 --> 00:21:27,610 the right to perform sodomy. 440 00:21:27,650 --> 00:21:29,810 - I'm a monk. - A monk. 441 00:21:29,850 --> 00:21:31,510 Franciscan. 442 00:21:31,550 --> 00:21:33,520 What do you think of homosexuality? 443 00:21:33,550 --> 00:21:35,890 Do you think that's... the Bible is against it. 444 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,520 No, the Bible is not against it. 445 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,530 The Bible's not against homosexuality? 446 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,590 If you are born homosexual, you are to stay there. 447 00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:45,220 - You have to be happy. - But that's what the Bible says? 448 00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:47,890 What the Bible means to say, yeah. 449 00:21:47,940 --> 00:21:49,800 Oh, what the Bible means to say! 450 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,900 Now that's a good book. 451 00:21:51,940 --> 00:21:54,030 It preaches the rock-solid truth. 452 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,570 You are faggots! 453 00:21:55,610 --> 00:21:58,980 I don't hate them. God hates them. 454 00:21:59,010 --> 00:22:01,850 - Hey, Bill. - How are you? Nice to meet you. 455 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,750 Okay. Okay. 456 00:22:04,790 --> 00:22:08,220 So of course, the reason why we're here is because you're... 457 00:22:08,260 --> 00:22:10,720 I guess we would say, ex-gay. 458 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,690 You used to be gay 459 00:22:12,730 --> 00:22:15,530 and then you married someone who used to be a lesbian. 460 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,620 And you have three children, and I guess the jury's out on them. 461 00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:24,230 Okay, and would you say it's just like any other marriage 462 00:22:24,270 --> 00:22:26,430 of 14 years... you never have sex? 463 00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:28,740 Oh, funny. Ha ha. Got that. 464 00:22:28,780 --> 00:22:32,410 I don't classify myself as ex-gay, you know? 465 00:22:32,450 --> 00:22:34,740 I'm a heterosexual guy who dealt 466 00:22:34,780 --> 00:22:38,340 with some homosexuality. 467 00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:41,480 Okay, so the people who come here are people 468 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,420 who are wanting to do what you did. 469 00:22:43,460 --> 00:22:47,420 They want to reform their life and lead a heterosexual life. 470 00:22:47,460 --> 00:22:50,560 But I will be honest with you. The reality's a lot of people come here 471 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,530 and go right back into whatever they came from. 472 00:22:53,570 --> 00:22:56,590 - Because they're gay! - I believe that it's sin. 473 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,440 Excuse me, but don't you have it, no pun intended, ass-backwards? 474 00:23:00,470 --> 00:23:02,140 Meaning? 475 00:23:02,180 --> 00:23:04,870 Meaning homosexuality 476 00:23:04,910 --> 00:23:07,380 is something that occurs in nature. 477 00:23:07,420 --> 00:23:10,210 I was out bird watching, but I'd rather watch you. 478 00:23:10,250 --> 00:23:11,810 Why don't you come over and get some? 479 00:23:11,850 --> 00:23:15,120 Man is who wrote the Bible. 480 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,390 Nature made gay people. 481 00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:20,120 Nobody's born gay. There's no scientific or... 482 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,790 Really? Have you ever met Little Richard? 483 00:23:22,830 --> 00:23:25,420 We can look at creation and say, "What's the normal order?" 484 00:23:25,470 --> 00:23:27,630 A man has a penis. A woman has a vagina. 485 00:23:27,670 --> 00:23:29,300 Let's just be blunt. 486 00:23:29,340 --> 00:23:31,640 There's no scientific data that proves 487 00:23:31,670 --> 00:23:34,110 that anyone is... there's no gay gene. 488 00:23:34,140 --> 00:23:35,940 And you also discovered the gay gene? 489 00:23:35,980 --> 00:23:37,740 Yes. 490 00:23:37,780 --> 00:23:40,080 This is all coming from the Bible which you believe... 491 00:23:40,110 --> 00:23:42,610 - Right. - To be the word of God. 492 00:23:42,650 --> 00:23:44,880 - I do. - All of the proscriptions 493 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,480 against homosexuality come from the Old Testament. 494 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,960 Jesus never said a word about homosexuality. 495 00:23:50,990 --> 00:23:53,190 And if it's so important, why didn't he ever bring it up? 496 00:23:53,230 --> 00:23:56,060 We could pick lots of little things 497 00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:58,070 that he didn't specifically talk about. 498 00:23:58,100 --> 00:24:01,870 - But this is a big thing. - Let me stop this whole thing. 499 00:24:01,900 --> 00:24:04,840 You know, I'm not sure what your documentary is about, 500 00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:08,830 but if it's to basically refute the word of God, 501 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,780 then I'm not interested in doing your interview, okay? 502 00:24:11,810 --> 00:24:14,210 - Well, l... - I think that 503 00:24:14,250 --> 00:24:16,310 obviously you don't have the same relationship 504 00:24:16,350 --> 00:24:18,320 with Jesus Christ that I do. 505 00:24:18,350 --> 00:24:22,150 But what is your explanation for the millions and millions of people 506 00:24:22,190 --> 00:24:23,780 around the world who are 507 00:24:23,820 --> 00:24:25,990 - leading homosexual lives... - Well, it's not millions. 508 00:24:26,030 --> 00:24:29,990 Have no interest in anyone of the opposite sex? 509 00:24:30,030 --> 00:24:32,560 Are they all faking just to piss off Jesus? 510 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,000 They didn't choose this. They didn't desire it. 511 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,530 Right, they were born gay. 512 00:24:36,570 --> 00:24:38,500 No, they weren't born that way. 513 00:24:38,540 --> 00:24:41,700 It's because of the insecurity within theirselves. 514 00:24:41,740 --> 00:24:45,300 It takes a lot of security to walk out of the house with assless chaps. 515 00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:48,750 - They're not happy, most of them. - They're called gay. 516 00:24:48,780 --> 00:24:50,340 They took the word. 517 00:24:50,380 --> 00:24:52,510 Some of them look positively thrilled. 518 00:24:58,190 --> 00:25:00,750 No, they are people who are really not complete 519 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,390 in who they are as men or women. 520 00:25:02,430 --> 00:25:05,370 That's a pretty big judgment for a Christian. 521 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,370 - It's not a judgment. - That's not a judgment? 522 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,700 That you are sitting here telling these people 523 00:25:09,740 --> 00:25:12,300 who you don't even know that they're incomplete 524 00:25:12,340 --> 00:25:13,830 because they're not like you? 525 00:25:13,870 --> 00:25:16,500 I mean, it's not the people you suspect 526 00:25:16,540 --> 00:25:18,100 that are gay, that are gay. 527 00:25:18,150 --> 00:25:20,740 People like the Reverend Ted Haggard... 528 00:25:20,780 --> 00:25:23,080 Moral purity is better than immorality. 529 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:26,580 Who kept meeting homosexual prostitutes in a hotel room 530 00:25:26,620 --> 00:25:30,180 and having gay sex with speed. 531 00:25:30,220 --> 00:25:33,020 Evangelicals have the best sex life of any other group. 532 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,920 - Good Morning, Duane! - But he wasn't gay? 533 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,860 I already answered that. 534 00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:41,030 I don't believe that anybody is gay. 535 00:25:41,070 --> 00:25:43,830 I don't know, but honestly, if I just saw you 536 00:25:43,870 --> 00:25:47,530 in a bar or something, I would say... and don't take this the wrong way... 537 00:25:47,580 --> 00:25:49,810 I would say, "Yeah, I think that guy is gay." 538 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,040 You're good looking. You're neat, you know. 539 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,740 - You don't look like me. - Meaning? 540 00:25:55,780 --> 00:25:57,480 Meaning... 541 00:26:20,210 --> 00:26:22,140 - All right, thank you. - Can I give you a hug? 542 00:26:22,180 --> 00:26:23,440 - Yes! - I hug everybody, 543 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:24,670 so can I give you a hug? 544 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,250 - Thanks. - Thank you very much. 545 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,250 Hey, you didn't have a hard-on there, did you? 546 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,220 Nope, sorry. Can't do that. 547 00:26:35,060 --> 00:26:37,520 That was good, though. 548 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,930 When I was 17, my first girlfriend dumped me, 549 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,290 and I was sad in a way I'd never been sad. 550 00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:47,160 You know, your first dumping is the worst. 551 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,470 And at that point, you're very vulnerable 552 00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:52,560 to any sort of connection 553 00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:54,440 with, you know... 554 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,040 I didn't get like Jesus-religious, 555 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,510 but I did think a force out there 556 00:26:59,550 --> 00:27:02,810 was communicating to me through song lyrics or... 557 00:27:02,850 --> 00:27:06,220 numerology I was very interested in for a while. 558 00:27:06,250 --> 00:27:10,120 You said you were groping for something at that time. 559 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,590 You know, you make up an imaginary friend who loves you, 560 00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:14,990 is sympathetic to you and has a plan for you. 561 00:27:15,030 --> 00:27:18,400 It's much more important. He didn't have to love me, God, 562 00:27:18,430 --> 00:27:20,400 He just had to be working for me. 563 00:27:20,430 --> 00:27:21,960 You know, He's like an agent. 564 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,700 So you are an ex-Jew for Jesus. 565 00:27:24,740 --> 00:27:26,210 That is correct. 566 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,140 Now what made you to decide to be a follower of Christ? 567 00:27:30,180 --> 00:27:32,480 What brought Christ into your life? 568 00:27:32,510 --> 00:27:35,740 Back in '75, 569 00:27:35,780 --> 00:27:37,810 I went to Michigan State University. 570 00:27:37,850 --> 00:27:41,250 - $2,700? - Yeah, it's pricey. 571 00:27:41,290 --> 00:27:43,980 Boy, I wonder what Madonna without the child runs you. 572 00:27:44,020 --> 00:27:46,690 So getting back to my story, I could ask God 573 00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:49,590 to do things in the name of Jesus and they would happen. 574 00:27:49,630 --> 00:27:53,000 So I can't even recall all the little miracles He did, 575 00:27:53,030 --> 00:27:56,430 but He proved to me that He was real and He was there. 576 00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:59,200 They were so miraculous and you can't remember what they were? 577 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,870 There were so many of them and they were little things. 578 00:28:00,910 --> 00:28:03,710 - Give me an example. - One example I can remember was 579 00:28:03,740 --> 00:28:05,010 I was at a party. 580 00:28:05,050 --> 00:28:07,710 There was a guy who was working with Jews for Jesus, 581 00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:11,050 and I asked him, "Can I get a drink of water?" 582 00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:13,950 And he says, "You know what? Here's a glass, 583 00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:15,950 stick your hand out the window and pray for rain." 584 00:28:17,260 --> 00:28:18,750 I didn't like the attitude. 585 00:28:18,790 --> 00:28:20,320 I said okay, 586 00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:23,490 and I stuck my hand out the window and it started pouring rain. 587 00:28:23,530 --> 00:28:27,260 Pouring so bad that people couldn't leave the party. 588 00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:29,530 To me, that's a miracle. You don't have to believe it, 589 00:28:29,570 --> 00:28:32,700 - but I know between me and God... - It is pretty lame. 590 00:28:32,740 --> 00:28:35,500 - But you asked. - I asked, but I'm just saying 591 00:28:35,540 --> 00:28:38,480 - that's my reaction to your answer. - But that's just one of many things. 592 00:28:38,510 --> 00:28:40,570 I live a life of miracles. 593 00:28:40,610 --> 00:28:44,480 No, you live your life with the same sort of mundane coincidences 594 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,350 that happen to everybody in the world. 595 00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:50,190 It's not like, you know, if it rained frogs, 596 00:28:50,220 --> 00:28:51,850 I would say you had a point. 597 00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:53,860 But it rains, and it stops raining. 598 00:28:53,890 --> 00:28:56,060 Well, when was the last time you asked for rain 599 00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:57,690 and it starting raining within 10 seconds? 600 00:28:57,730 --> 00:28:59,530 I don't know. I don't ever ask for rain. 601 00:28:59,570 --> 00:29:01,830 But if I asked for it really bad and it started to rain, 602 00:29:01,870 --> 00:29:03,360 I wouldn't think it was because I asked for it. 603 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,800 I would think because it sometimes rains. 604 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,330 God is not that busy 605 00:29:08,380 --> 00:29:10,430 where He can't spend time listening to you 606 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,310 when you really want to talk to Him, anytime. 607 00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:14,910 If Santa Claus can hit every house in the world 608 00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:17,080 - in one night... - I don't believe in Santa Claus. 609 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,050 Of course not, that's ridiculous. That's one man flying 610 00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:22,650 all around the world and dropping presents down a chimney. 611 00:29:22,690 --> 00:29:25,450 That's ridiculous. One man hearing everybody murmur 612 00:29:25,490 --> 00:29:27,860 to him at the same time, that I get. 613 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,960 And you know what else was very confusing to me? 614 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,990 I remember vividly 615 00:29:34,030 --> 00:29:36,940 was Santa Claus 616 00:29:36,970 --> 00:29:39,840 - and Jesus. - You were so mad at us. 617 00:29:39,870 --> 00:29:42,870 - Oh, yes. - So mad at you, why? Oh, when... 618 00:29:42,910 --> 00:29:45,970 When you realized there was no Santa Claus. 619 00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:48,740 And then when I found out there was no Jesus, 620 00:29:48,780 --> 00:29:51,270 boy, was I pissed. 621 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,880 You spoke before in certitude. 622 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,950 You're 100% sure that after you die, 623 00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:58,220 you'll go to a better place. 624 00:29:58,260 --> 00:30:01,130 I know I'll be with God. I'll be with Jesus. 625 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,890 And that's a better place. 626 00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:05,520 Even if it was in a garbage can, 627 00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:07,530 which I know it won't be, but even if it was, 628 00:30:07,570 --> 00:30:10,330 just the fact that I'm with Jesus, to me, is good. 629 00:30:10,370 --> 00:30:12,460 - It's a better place. - It's a better place. 630 00:30:12,510 --> 00:30:15,960 Then why don't you kill yourself? 631 00:30:16,010 --> 00:30:17,770 Because God still has a mission for me here. 632 00:30:17,810 --> 00:30:19,010 Oh, I see. 633 00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:22,570 I'm thinking of Jonah. God sent Jonah on a mission. 634 00:30:22,620 --> 00:30:25,480 When did the part of the story come when Jonah lived in the whale? 635 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,510 It was a great fish. 636 00:30:27,550 --> 00:30:29,520 It's one of my favorite nonsense stories, 637 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,720 Jonah living inside of the whale. 638 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,560 And their answer unfailingly is 639 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,900 "The Bible doesn't say whale. It says big fish." 640 00:30:38,930 --> 00:30:40,920 Oh, yeah, big fish, that makes... 641 00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:44,370 I'm sorry I was obsessing on that it was a whale. It's a big fish. 642 00:30:44,410 --> 00:30:46,100 Of course you could live for three days in a big fish. 643 00:30:46,140 --> 00:30:48,010 A tuna. 644 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,140 They do it all the time in Japan. They have tuna spas. 645 00:30:51,180 --> 00:30:54,410 You go for three days. They pamper you, oils. 646 00:30:54,450 --> 00:30:57,780 You come out of that tuna feeling fantastic. 647 00:30:57,820 --> 00:30:59,380 You smell like pussy, 648 00:30:59,420 --> 00:31:02,690 but you feel fantastic. 649 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,560 This man lived inside of a fish for three days? 650 00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:08,490 Miraculously, yes. 651 00:31:08,530 --> 00:31:11,050 Steve, Steve, Steve. 652 00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:12,830 You don't believe in miracles. 653 00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:15,530 - That doesn't mean they don't exist. - Of course not! 654 00:31:15,570 --> 00:31:17,130 I'm not 10! 655 00:31:17,170 --> 00:31:19,110 He lived in a fish. 656 00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:21,800 Come on. 657 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,070 Your bar on miracles is pretty low, I gotta tell you, bro. 658 00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:27,140 Well, whatever. 659 00:31:27,180 --> 00:31:29,670 Two things that are completely incompatible 660 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,950 are Christianity as Jesus taught it 661 00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:34,920 - and nationalism... - Right. Exactly. 662 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,220 And yet people always say God and country. 663 00:31:38,260 --> 00:31:40,890 Jesus would never... you know, 664 00:31:40,930 --> 00:31:42,760 people who are such good Christians... 665 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,560 in one breath you'll hear them say something like, 666 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,500 "Well, you gotta take care of your own first. 667 00:31:47,530 --> 00:31:50,260 I know people overseas have trouble, but you gotta take"... 668 00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:54,170 that is not a message I can ever see the Jesus in the Bible, 669 00:31:54,210 --> 00:31:57,180 even when he was in a bad mood, would say. 670 00:32:01,350 --> 00:32:02,470 I'm gonna vote Bible. 671 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,070 It's time for God's people to come 672 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,280 out of the closets, out of the churches 673 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,150 and change America! 674 00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:10,780 Unless you and I do what God wants us to do, 675 00:32:10,820 --> 00:32:12,990 he'll go to some other country. 676 00:32:13,030 --> 00:32:15,360 God, forgive America! 677 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,330 I would probably have to say yes, that the Constitution established 678 00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:22,130 the United States of America as a Christian nation. 679 00:32:22,170 --> 00:32:24,760 We have, of course, "In God We Trust" on our money. 680 00:32:24,810 --> 00:32:25,970 The Senate will come to order. 681 00:32:26,010 --> 00:32:27,730 The chaplain will lead the Senate in prayer. 682 00:32:32,380 --> 00:32:36,150 How did this country get to be a Christian nation? 683 00:32:36,180 --> 00:32:38,650 I've read a lot of quotes from all the Founding Fathers. 684 00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:40,410 There are a lot of quotes that explicitly say 685 00:32:40,450 --> 00:32:42,650 we're not a Christian nation. 686 00:32:54,570 --> 00:32:56,900 And Jefferson's a particularly interesting case. 687 00:32:56,940 --> 00:33:00,600 Didn't he write his own Bible which divorced the New Testament 688 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,870 from what he considered the unnecessary magic, 689 00:33:03,910 --> 00:33:05,640 bells and whistles? 690 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,740 He took the Gospels, 691 00:33:07,780 --> 00:33:09,810 took out all of Jesus's miracles 692 00:33:09,850 --> 00:33:11,650 and took out all of Jesus's statements 693 00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:13,920 that claimed divinity, 694 00:33:13,950 --> 00:33:16,250 and put out a new book called "The Faith and Moral Teachings 695 00:33:16,290 --> 00:33:17,720 of Jesus of Nazareth." 696 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,850 We tend to lionize these guys and think of them all 697 00:33:20,890 --> 00:33:24,130 as the 12 Apostles plus the Founding Fathers, 698 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,430 like they're in the same club or something. 699 00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:29,090 When in fact, these men understood very well 700 00:33:29,140 --> 00:33:31,370 that there was a difference between being Christian 701 00:33:31,410 --> 00:33:33,270 and being American. 702 00:33:33,310 --> 00:33:35,540 - Right. - In Jefferson's age, fewer people went 703 00:33:35,580 --> 00:33:38,410 to church less often. 704 00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:40,780 Do you think that there are a lot of people 705 00:33:40,810 --> 00:33:43,780 who feel the way you do, but are afraid to speak out? 706 00:33:43,820 --> 00:33:45,580 Absolutely. Are you kidding? 707 00:33:45,620 --> 00:33:49,020 Yes, I think it is the great untapped minority 708 00:33:49,060 --> 00:33:50,750 in this country. 709 00:33:50,790 --> 00:33:52,320 In the last survey, 710 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,890 I think it was 16% of Americans 711 00:33:55,930 --> 00:33:58,960 who now say they are absolutely unaffiliated 712 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,590 with any religion, don't want to be in a religion, 713 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,400 just don't go near me with religion. 714 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,370 16% of the population is 715 00:34:06,410 --> 00:34:09,400 a huge minority. It's bigger than Jews, 716 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,350 blacks, homosexuals, NRA members, 717 00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:15,870 lots of people you could name who have lobbies 718 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,440 that get everything they want 719 00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:22,390 or are at least are in the debate. 720 00:34:22,420 --> 00:34:24,550 You want me to kinda angle like this or straight ahead? 721 00:34:24,590 --> 00:34:26,790 Just as natural as possible to Bill. 722 00:34:26,830 --> 00:34:30,060 So you've described yourself as an Evangelical Christian. 723 00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:33,560 You did a campaign ad where you said the most important lessons in life 724 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,500 are in this book right here, meaning the Bible. 725 00:34:36,540 --> 00:34:40,270 Everyone in politics likes to brag that they're a person of faith. 726 00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:42,940 Why is faith good? 727 00:34:42,980 --> 00:34:44,970 Faith has a way 728 00:34:45,010 --> 00:34:47,310 of softening people. 729 00:34:47,350 --> 00:34:50,610 For example, if you look at the teachings of Jesus, he's very forgiving. 730 00:34:50,650 --> 00:34:52,710 He also said, "If a man doesn't abide in me," 731 00:34:52,750 --> 00:34:55,620 he is cast forth as a branch and withers, 732 00:34:55,660 --> 00:34:59,220 "and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned." 733 00:34:59,260 --> 00:35:02,630 Right. So? 734 00:35:02,660 --> 00:35:04,490 I do think, 'cause I'm a Christian, 735 00:35:04,530 --> 00:35:07,300 that Jesus is the way to be reconciled. 736 00:35:07,330 --> 00:35:11,960 And I do believe the actual literacy of that story. 737 00:35:12,010 --> 00:35:16,470 We'll let God sort out all the details of that on Judgment Day. 738 00:35:16,510 --> 00:35:18,240 What about the 10 Commandments? 739 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,610 So many politicians talk about the 10 Commandments. 740 00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:23,840 Are they really the 10 most 741 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,280 - important moral... - Are these the 10 suggestions? 742 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,810 The 10 recommendations? 743 00:35:28,860 --> 00:35:31,220 But it's not really a wide list of 10. 744 00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:33,230 The first four are all 745 00:35:33,260 --> 00:35:36,560 about just worshipping God and basically that he's a jealous God, 746 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,720 and he doesn't want you to have any other gods. 747 00:35:38,770 --> 00:35:40,860 The only two that are really laws 748 00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:42,890 are don't steal and don't kill. 749 00:35:42,940 --> 00:35:45,170 Why is this the wisest group of 10? 750 00:35:45,210 --> 00:35:48,900 It doesn't include child abuse. It doesn't include don't torture. 751 00:35:48,940 --> 00:35:51,040 It doesn't include a lot of things... rape... 752 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,880 that I think if we were making a list today, 753 00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:55,580 we would probably include. 754 00:35:55,620 --> 00:35:58,020 Society is so different today 755 00:35:58,050 --> 00:36:00,540 and our culture is so radically different today. 756 00:36:00,590 --> 00:36:03,150 That's what I'm asking. We're in a different culture. 757 00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:06,820 Can you think of anything else that we still cleave to from the Bronze Age? 758 00:36:06,860 --> 00:36:08,690 Well... 759 00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:30,440 Basically, murder is against the law in every country in the world. 760 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,480 But wouldn't we have come to that even without religion? 761 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,220 Don't you think people would have gotten together and said, 762 00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:38,350 "You know what? Let's not slaughter each other 763 00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:42,090 - "and not take each other's stuff." - I don't know. 764 00:36:42,130 --> 00:36:44,930 There's been more killing in the name of "My God." 765 00:36:44,970 --> 00:36:48,400 You think maybe sort of indigously 766 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,630 or just by our DNA, 767 00:36:50,670 --> 00:36:53,470 we somehow know that killing another person is wrong? 768 00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:56,140 I'm not sure that that's the case. 769 00:36:56,180 --> 00:36:58,870 Really, you need God to decide not to kill each other? 770 00:36:58,910 --> 00:37:02,310 Well, you can look back at more primitive cultures, 771 00:37:02,350 --> 00:37:05,980 and they were constantly at war. 772 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,620 We are now, among industrialized, modern nations, 773 00:37:13,660 --> 00:37:15,890 the most religious nation. 774 00:37:15,930 --> 00:37:17,990 A recent study found that 775 00:37:18,030 --> 00:37:20,090 among 32 countries, 776 00:37:20,130 --> 00:37:22,730 more people in this country doubted evolution 777 00:37:22,770 --> 00:37:26,500 than any other country on that list, except, I think, it was Turkey. 778 00:37:26,540 --> 00:37:28,910 In the US, we have freedom of religion. 779 00:37:28,940 --> 00:37:31,240 I think most of the countries on that list do have freedom of religion. 780 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,180 Well, that's interesting. 781 00:37:33,210 --> 00:37:34,480 Do you believe in evolution? 782 00:37:34,510 --> 00:37:37,420 You know my... I don't know. 783 00:37:37,450 --> 00:37:40,180 Clearly the scientific community's a little divided 784 00:37:40,220 --> 00:37:43,590 on some of the specifics of that and I understand that. 785 00:37:43,620 --> 00:37:46,460 - I don't think they are. - No no... well... 786 00:37:46,490 --> 00:37:48,520 I think they pretty much agree. 787 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,390 I don't know how it all happened. 788 00:37:50,430 --> 00:37:53,460 I'm certainly willing to accept the scientific premise. 789 00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:56,160 It couldn't possibly have been Adam and Eve 790 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,330 5,000 years ago with a talking snake and a garden, could it? 791 00:37:59,370 --> 00:38:01,030 Well, it could've possibly been that. 792 00:38:01,070 --> 00:38:03,630 Come on. See, this is my problem. 793 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,010 I mean, you're a senator. 794 00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:08,340 You are one of the very few people 795 00:38:08,380 --> 00:38:10,140 who are really running this country. 796 00:38:10,180 --> 00:38:14,140 It worries me that people are running my country who think... 797 00:38:14,190 --> 00:38:15,810 who believe in a talking snake. 798 00:38:15,860 --> 00:38:18,550 You don't have to pass an IQ test to be in the Senate, though. 799 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:31,030 As you first come into the Creation Museum, 800 00:38:31,070 --> 00:38:32,540 there's going to be a sense 801 00:38:32,570 --> 00:38:34,300 of "This is something really big." 802 00:38:34,340 --> 00:38:37,440 This is something awe-inspiring, something great here. 803 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,950 We can answer the questions of the skeptics 804 00:38:39,980 --> 00:38:41,710 that attack the Bible's history. 805 00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:44,410 We admit that we start from the Bible here 806 00:38:44,450 --> 00:38:45,980 to teach them how to think. 807 00:38:46,020 --> 00:38:48,180 Really, in a nutshell, we're saying, the Bible's true 808 00:38:48,220 --> 00:38:49,920 from Genesis to Revelation. 809 00:38:54,930 --> 00:38:57,290 We're building the whole place for about $27 million. 810 00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:01,860 I have many people say to me, 811 00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:03,800 "As a Christian, can't you believe in evolution?" 812 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,400 I say, "Well, you got a problem. God made a man and a woman." 813 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,200 If you believe in evolution, the woman had to come from an ape woman. 814 00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:13,240 All right, but you're so damned ugly. 815 00:39:14,610 --> 00:39:18,380 This is what we call the main hall here. Immediately, people see 816 00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:20,220 dinosaurs and people together, which is very different 817 00:39:20,250 --> 00:39:23,880 to the idea of the evolutionists who say dinosaurs died out 818 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,190 70 million ago or so, and so they didn't live with humans. 819 00:39:27,230 --> 00:39:30,220 They see an animatronic dinosaur over here. 820 00:39:30,260 --> 00:39:32,890 Two animatronic baby T-Rexes and two animatronic children. 821 00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:36,370 It's basically just to give people a wow factor as they come in here. 822 00:39:40,570 --> 00:39:44,410 How to share your faith effectively and Biblically, 823 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,000 to be able to reason with people, 824 00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:47,780 learn to circumnavigate 825 00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:49,810 or go around the person's intellect. 826 00:39:49,850 --> 00:39:53,410 There's plenty of people who would say, "Well, it's just my faith." 827 00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:56,150 But that's not good enough for you. You say, "No." 828 00:39:56,190 --> 00:39:58,660 We can basically reconcile the science 829 00:39:58,690 --> 00:40:01,390 "with what's in Genesis." 830 00:40:01,430 --> 00:40:04,300 We're an organization that... to put it in a nutshell... 831 00:40:04,330 --> 00:40:06,960 is telling people that the Bible's history is true, 832 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,300 its history beginning in Genesis. 833 00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:11,740 Scientists line up overwhelmingly 834 00:40:11,770 --> 00:40:13,970 on one side of this issue. It would have to be 835 00:40:14,010 --> 00:40:17,770 an enormous conspiracy going on between scientists 836 00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:20,440 of all different disciplines in all different countries 837 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,110 to have such a consensus. 838 00:40:23,150 --> 00:40:24,670 That doesn't move you? 839 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:27,210 No, not at all, because from a Biblical perspective, 840 00:40:27,250 --> 00:40:30,480 I understand why the majority would not agree with the truth. 841 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,620 Man is a sinner. Man is rebelling against his creator. 842 00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:36,530 All these scientists are sinners? 843 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,620 Well... 844 00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:41,790 We have been talking to so many religious people 845 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,270 and many of them believe the earth is 5,000 years old. 846 00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:46,770 If you're a scientist, you can't accept that. 847 00:40:46,810 --> 00:40:50,140 Now you recently were the director of the Vatican Observatory. 848 00:40:50,180 --> 00:40:52,340 A Vatican astronomer. 849 00:40:52,380 --> 00:40:55,310 It's one of those terms like "gay Republican"... 850 00:40:55,350 --> 00:40:57,320 you know, you just don't expect it. 851 00:40:57,350 --> 00:41:00,840 - I'm not getting into that. - No no no, I'm not asking you to. 852 00:41:00,890 --> 00:41:02,880 It's not that the church has the idea, you know, 853 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,190 they're gonna train us up so we can be the first ones out there 854 00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:08,350 to baptize those extraterrestrials 855 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,490 before the Mormons get at 'em. 856 00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:13,120 The reason is simply 857 00:41:13,170 --> 00:41:15,790 historical facts. 858 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,030 John Paul II, for instance, said evolution 859 00:41:19,070 --> 00:41:23,030 in the neo-Darwinian sense is no longer a mere hypothesis. 860 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,370 I mean, he said that. It's in writing. 861 00:41:25,410 --> 00:41:27,900 I still don't understand why it's important 862 00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:30,510 for there to have to have been a situation on earth 863 00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:33,210 where a man co-existed with dinosaurs. 864 00:41:33,250 --> 00:41:34,810 Only really in "The Flintstones"... 865 00:41:34,850 --> 00:41:36,820 Is someone talking about me? 866 00:41:36,860 --> 00:41:38,380 And that Raquel Welch movie 867 00:41:38,430 --> 00:41:41,920 does man ever co-exist with dinosaurs. 868 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,860 Why is that important for your salvation or your morality? 869 00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:47,630 If you're saying this part over here, 870 00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:50,430 it says God made land animals and man on the same day is not true, 871 00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:53,560 then ultimately, why should I believe this bit over here? 872 00:41:53,610 --> 00:41:57,340 The Christian Scriptures were written 873 00:41:57,380 --> 00:42:00,180 between about 2,000 years before Christ 874 00:42:00,210 --> 00:42:02,270 to about 200 years after Christ. 875 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,510 That's it. 876 00:42:03,550 --> 00:42:07,010 Modern science came to be with Galileo 877 00:42:07,050 --> 00:42:09,420 up through Newton, up through Einstein. 878 00:42:09,460 --> 00:42:12,620 What we know as modern science, okay, 879 00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:14,130 is in that period. 880 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,490 How in the world could there be any science 881 00:42:17,530 --> 00:42:19,260 in scripture? 882 00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:20,890 There cannot be. 883 00:42:20,930 --> 00:42:23,560 Just the two historical periods are separated 884 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,300 by so much. 885 00:42:25,340 --> 00:42:27,270 The Scriptures are not 886 00:42:27,310 --> 00:42:29,470 teaching science. 887 00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:31,480 It's very hard for me to accept, 888 00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:35,040 not just a literal interpretation of scripture, 889 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,880 but a fundamentalist approach to religious belief. 890 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,780 It's kind of a plague. 891 00:42:39,820 --> 00:42:42,550 It presents itself as science and it's not. 892 00:42:42,590 --> 00:42:44,890 God is an infinite God who is working in ways 893 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,550 - we don't always understand. - You don't think that's a cop-out? 894 00:42:47,590 --> 00:42:50,260 He is God. 895 00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:51,820 Are you God? 896 00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:55,130 No. 897 00:42:58,670 --> 00:43:00,470 We went to church every Sunday. 898 00:43:00,510 --> 00:43:04,140 My sister and I went to Catechism, which is Catholic, you know, 899 00:43:04,180 --> 00:43:07,580 like Hebrew school for papists. 900 00:43:07,610 --> 00:43:09,080 It was like war. 901 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,240 It was vast stretches of boredom punctuated 902 00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:14,980 by moments of sheer terror. 903 00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:22,620 I'm in the Vatican. 904 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,230 Buongiorno! 905 00:43:30,270 --> 00:43:33,170 I know what you're thinking. I'm standing in front of a green screen 906 00:43:33,210 --> 00:43:35,110 at a studio in Burbank, California, 907 00:43:35,140 --> 00:43:37,630 and they digitalized the Vatican in behind me. 908 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,340 No no, that's really the Vatican. 909 00:43:40,380 --> 00:43:42,350 I ought to know. I just got thrown out of it. 910 00:43:42,380 --> 00:43:44,250 See, I wanted to interview the Pope, 911 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,190 but I was willing to settle for a cardinal or a monsignor 912 00:43:48,220 --> 00:43:50,350 or the Flying Nun... really anybody... 913 00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:53,850 but apparently I've been on the Catholic shit list for quite a while. 914 00:43:53,890 --> 00:43:56,890 But that's their loss, 'cause now I'm gonna say what I really think, 915 00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:58,990 which is mainly: 916 00:43:59,030 --> 00:44:00,620 Does that look anything 917 00:44:00,670 --> 00:44:03,470 like anything Jesus Christ had in mind? 918 00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:06,840 When you look at a building like that, a giant palace, 919 00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:09,070 does it seem at odds with the message of the founder? 920 00:44:09,110 --> 00:44:10,630 Well, certainly. 921 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,080 - Well, thank you. - I mean, that's obvious. 922 00:44:14,110 --> 00:44:17,640 It really is obvious, isn't it? But does it bother you? 923 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,050 Well, I mean... well, yes it does. 924 00:44:21,090 --> 00:44:23,650 I wouldn't... if I were the boss, 925 00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:25,590 I wouldn't be living there. 926 00:44:25,630 --> 00:44:28,620 I mean Jesus would be probably out in some barracks here 927 00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:31,860 in a suburb of Rome, got it? 928 00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:34,730 Do you ever get so fed up you want to take the collar and go... 929 00:44:34,770 --> 00:44:36,760 - Well, I don't wear a collar anyway. - "That's it, Captain." 930 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,830 Take my badge and my collar." 931 00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:42,070 I read about 10 books recently... the rationality of religion, 932 00:44:42,110 --> 00:44:44,670 and everyone's saying it's stupid. 933 00:44:45,950 --> 00:44:47,910 You know what's gonna happen to them. 934 00:44:47,950 --> 00:44:49,610 - No, what's gonna happen? - They're gonna be roasting in hell. 935 00:44:49,650 --> 00:44:52,280 Come on, roasting. That's the old Catholic thing. 936 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:53,790 That's what they taught me. 937 00:44:53,820 --> 00:44:55,580 Yeah, I know, that hell business. 938 00:44:55,620 --> 00:44:58,420 Well, come on, the standard doctrine that I was taught as a kid... 939 00:44:58,460 --> 00:45:00,620 Yeah, that's all gone. That's all finished. 940 00:45:00,660 --> 00:45:02,130 But that's not fair. 941 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,460 - Yeah, pfft! - The date of Jesus's birth 942 00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:07,970 really wasn't established until 349 A.D. 943 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,200 Oh, yeah... 944 00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:12,900 because he might've been born on July 3rd. 945 00:45:12,940 --> 00:45:16,470 These are all nice stories, you know. 946 00:45:16,510 --> 00:45:18,840 - And that doesn't bother you, either? - That bothers me too. 947 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,210 I mean, when everybody's, "Ooh, we have to have midnight mass 948 00:45:21,250 --> 00:45:24,050 because Jesus was born on midnight on 25th of"... 949 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,980 this is all nonsense. 950 00:45:26,020 --> 00:45:28,110 - You're a maverick, aren't you? - I'm not a maverick. 951 00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:31,750 You're Father Maverick. You do things your own way. 952 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,160 When you add up all the saints and all the angels 953 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,790 and archangels and super-duper angels... 954 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,830 there's God, the Father, God the Son, the Holy Ghost, 955 00:45:45,870 --> 00:45:48,600 Mother Mary... it does start to look like 956 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,370 it's not quite the monotheistic religion that it's... 957 00:45:51,410 --> 00:45:53,810 Oh, I understand. Like we have mini-gods. 958 00:45:53,850 --> 00:45:57,280 Yeah, well, it does seem like that, if people pray to a... 959 00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,440 Well, yeah, but some people just don't understand this. 960 00:45:59,490 --> 00:46:02,010 You probably are... you don't follow things... 961 00:46:02,060 --> 00:46:04,650 but they had a survey here in Italy, you know, 962 00:46:04,690 --> 00:46:06,660 and they said, "In a crisis", 963 00:46:06,690 --> 00:46:09,320 "what kind of saints do you pray to?" Got it? 964 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,460 You know who's the sixth on the list? Jesus Christ. 965 00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:14,190 The sixth? 966 00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:17,730 He's the sixth man that the Italians call upon 967 00:46:17,770 --> 00:46:20,200 when they have problems. Isn't that neat? 968 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:24,610 - That's very interesting. - Talk about Cafeteria Catholics. Pfft! 969 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,640 So how do you convince people of what's the true faith? 970 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,610 You don't, forget it. You just have to live and die 971 00:46:29,650 --> 00:46:32,550 with their stupid ideas. 972 00:46:32,590 --> 00:46:34,820 I'm sorry. What are you gonna do? 973 00:46:34,850 --> 00:46:36,820 You can go to a pitch meeting at a movie studio and go, 974 00:46:36,860 --> 00:46:39,260 "Okay, there's a spaceman" 975 00:46:39,290 --> 00:46:40,990 who zaps a virgin 976 00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:43,890 and he gives birth to a son who's also him, 977 00:46:43,930 --> 00:46:45,830 "who then goes on a suicide mission." 978 00:46:45,870 --> 00:46:47,300 I wonder what people would say about that. 979 00:46:47,330 --> 00:46:49,490 Yeah, that is actually a great pitch. 980 00:46:49,540 --> 00:46:51,800 It has so many elements that they like, 981 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,810 because they love suicide missions. 982 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,640 They love violence, and Hollywood loves something 983 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,510 it's never seen before... a virgin. 984 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,860 Hey, Shalom. 985 00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:26,900 We're so glad to have you here. Just come and get blessed. 986 00:47:33,210 --> 00:47:35,040 These are here to teach God's word. 987 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,880 We're in a spiritual warfare. 988 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,910 We don't push our beliefs on people, 989 00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:41,010 but we do make them available. 990 00:47:41,050 --> 00:47:43,920 - Have you ever had a Muslim person? - Yes, definitely. 991 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,790 People from Gaza Strip come. 992 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,090 We get many people who come here say, 993 00:47:51,130 --> 00:47:53,360 "We've come every year to Florida" 994 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,630 and we've done the tourist things and all and we enjoy those. 995 00:47:56,670 --> 00:47:59,900 "We wish we had seen this first," 996 00:47:59,940 --> 00:48:03,200 because their experience here was so meaningful. 997 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:06,230 Do you think if... when you were a kid... 998 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,540 they transposed the Bible stories 999 00:48:09,580 --> 00:48:12,070 with the fairy tales, you'd know the difference as an adult? 1000 00:48:13,350 --> 00:48:16,010 - My name is Eve. - I'm Adam. 1001 00:48:16,060 --> 00:48:17,990 This place is amazing. 1002 00:48:18,020 --> 00:48:20,790 If they told you Jack and the Beanstalk was religion 1003 00:48:20,830 --> 00:48:23,920 and that a man who lived in a whale was in a fairy-tale book... 1004 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,460 you think when you got to be an adult, 1005 00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:29,490 you'd be defending the one instead of the other? 1006 00:48:29,540 --> 00:48:31,630 So you're saying that the Bible's a fairy tale? 1007 00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:34,570 God took my rib like this 1008 00:48:34,610 --> 00:48:36,540 and began to whittle it 1009 00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:38,440 like this 1010 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,910 and blow on it... and then... 1011 00:48:41,950 --> 00:48:44,710 Saved means believing in Jesus Christ 1012 00:48:44,750 --> 00:48:46,510 - as the only begotten Son of God. - Not for me, it don't. 1013 00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:48,450 What about the Muslims? 1014 00:48:48,490 --> 00:48:50,790 Many Muslims are saved right now. 1015 00:48:50,820 --> 00:48:52,260 I don't get it. 1016 00:48:52,290 --> 00:48:54,690 I pray in your lifetime you do. 1017 00:48:54,730 --> 00:48:58,360 Jesus came through a Jew. He was not the seed of man. 1018 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,370 He came through a Jewish woman, 1019 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:01,990 but no man had ever touched her. 1020 00:49:02,030 --> 00:49:04,060 No flesh had ever touched her. 1021 00:49:04,100 --> 00:49:06,400 He was the seed of God. 1022 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:26,920 You want me to lean up against the tomb or something 1023 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,990 or you want casual or... okay. 1024 00:49:30,030 --> 00:49:31,620 Did I give you my cell phone? 1025 00:49:31,660 --> 00:49:33,960 Oh, I left my cell phone, right? Just want to make sure. 1026 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,900 Testing one two, check, testing. 1027 00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:38,800 How you doing, Bill? God bless you. 1028 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,070 - Hi. - Seen you around. 1029 00:49:40,110 --> 00:49:42,510 - Welcome to our world. - I've seen you around. 1030 00:49:42,540 --> 00:49:45,740 Now is this your tomb? Is this a real rock? 1031 00:49:45,780 --> 00:49:48,410 No, it's just cement. They just kind of cemented it in there. 1032 00:49:48,450 --> 00:49:51,180 So when you go out to dinner, people recognize you? 1033 00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:52,510 All the time, yeah. 1034 00:49:52,550 --> 00:49:55,110 I think you get a little bit of that, too. 1035 00:49:55,150 --> 00:49:58,680 But they don't think I'm the Lord. You must really be... 1036 00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:01,690 Why do you think people come here? 'Cause Disneyland's too smutty? 1037 00:50:01,730 --> 00:50:03,460 I personally haven't been to the Holy Land, 1038 00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:05,430 so this was an awesome experience for me when I walked on the property. 1039 00:50:05,460 --> 00:50:08,830 - I was like, "Wow, this is cool." - Let me ask you questions 1040 00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:10,270 - about your business... - Yes. 1041 00:50:10,300 --> 00:50:13,740 Or really the Jesus business. God is super powerful. 1042 00:50:13,770 --> 00:50:15,430 - He can do anything. - Sure. 1043 00:50:15,470 --> 00:50:18,640 Why doesn't he just obliterate the devil 1044 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,940 and therefore get rid of evil in the world? 1045 00:50:21,980 --> 00:50:24,710 - He will. - He will? What's he waiting for? 1046 00:50:24,750 --> 00:50:26,720 - End times. - But why play it out like that? 1047 00:50:26,750 --> 00:50:29,190 - Why make it a game? - Well, it's not necessarily a game. 1048 00:50:29,220 --> 00:50:32,350 A day is like a thousand years in God's eyes, it says in the Bible. 1049 00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:34,760 If you wanna look at it... just like two days ago, Christ died. 1050 00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:38,320 But I know that he is so far beyond any of our ways, 1051 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,860 that he can work the worst situation for his good. 1052 00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:42,890 What was the Holocaust? Why was that good? 1053 00:50:42,940 --> 00:50:45,400 You know, God had a plan for that. Maybe it's to cause... 1054 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,240 I wonder if you would have thought that if you were one of the people 1055 00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:49,370 - being pushed into an oven. - Well, you know what? 1056 00:50:49,410 --> 00:50:51,740 It's like trying to explain to an ant how a TV works. 1057 00:50:51,780 --> 00:50:54,300 That's... God's ways are so much higher than ours. 1058 00:50:54,350 --> 00:50:57,080 There's no way you can understand that. 1059 00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:58,910 We need to stop the interview for just a moment, please. 1060 00:50:58,950 --> 00:51:00,780 - Nice to see you. - Senior manager of public relations. 1061 00:51:00,820 --> 00:51:03,980 - Hi, Les, I'll be right with you. - Hi. Sure. 1062 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,430 I'm not afraid of the piranha women. 1063 00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:17,100 When he came, he said, "I come not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it." 1064 00:51:17,140 --> 00:51:19,660 You boil all those Levitical laws down to two things: 1065 00:51:19,710 --> 00:51:21,230 No other God is before me, Bill, 1066 00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:23,140 and love the Lord with all your heart. 1067 00:51:23,180 --> 00:51:24,940 But, Jesus, having no other gods before you, 1068 00:51:24,980 --> 00:51:27,670 that's not moral. There's nothing moral about that. 1069 00:51:27,710 --> 00:51:30,380 It's just something a jealous god would do. 1070 00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:32,410 It does say that our God is a jealous god. 1071 00:51:32,450 --> 00:51:36,150 But your God is jealous? That seems so unGodlike 1072 00:51:36,190 --> 00:51:38,450 that God would have such a petty human emotion. 1073 00:51:38,490 --> 00:51:40,960 I know people who have gotten over jealousy, 1074 00:51:40,990 --> 00:51:43,050 - let alone God. - There's two sides to the coin. 1075 00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:45,830 He's a just God and he's also a merciful God. 1076 00:51:45,870 --> 00:51:49,820 No, he spends the first five books of the Bible wiping out people. 1077 00:51:49,870 --> 00:51:53,100 That's what he chose to do. His ways are higher than ours, Bill. 1078 00:51:53,140 --> 00:51:55,770 - Maybe our thinking should be higher. - That's a good point. 1079 00:51:55,810 --> 00:51:58,780 God has got this God-sized hole in your life. 1080 00:51:58,810 --> 00:52:00,640 You can fit that with any position... 1081 00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,270 drugs, sex, whatever you want... it is not gonna fill it. 1082 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,840 - Can I try? - You can try all you want. 1083 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,010 You're gonna end up hurting yourself, 1084 00:52:06,050 --> 00:52:07,820 damaging yourself and burning yourself up. 1085 00:52:07,850 --> 00:52:10,050 I thought Christ was about not judging people. 1086 00:52:10,090 --> 00:52:12,320 - That's true. - Isn't that a judgment there? 1087 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,880 You don't know me and you're telling me I need to fill a hole in my heart 1088 00:52:14,930 --> 00:52:16,950 - with drugs and sex. - No, I'm not talking about you. 1089 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,520 I'm saying anyone in general. 1090 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,830 See, if I was God, I would create people without the hole to begin with. 1091 00:52:21,870 --> 00:52:25,560 Have you ever had a little voice in the back of your mind say something? 1092 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,400 - We've all had that. - That's called the Holy Spirit. 1093 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,880 - That's not God. That's you. - That's called the Holy Spirit. 1094 00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:31,210 - Feel this wind right now? - Yeah. 1095 00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:33,210 Okay, where is it? You don't know, right? 1096 00:52:33,250 --> 00:52:35,870 - Yeah, it's called wind. - Okay, that's like the Holy Spirit. 1097 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,910 It's a monotheistic religion, but there's three of them. 1098 00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:41,390 Just like water can be ice, steam and water. 1099 00:52:41,420 --> 00:52:43,220 I see. 1100 00:52:43,260 --> 00:52:45,420 It's different forms, different shapes for the different purposes. 1101 00:52:45,460 --> 00:52:47,620 The analogy that Jesus at the amusement park 1102 00:52:47,660 --> 00:52:49,530 said yesterday was brilliant, 1103 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,220 about the Trinity is like water. 1104 00:52:52,260 --> 00:52:54,460 It can be steam. It can be ice. 1105 00:52:54,500 --> 00:52:57,330 It can be liquid. Wow, that is... 1106 00:52:57,370 --> 00:53:00,310 boy, that stopped me in my tracks for a second, you know? 1107 00:53:00,340 --> 00:53:02,240 That's just a brilliant analogy. 1108 00:53:02,270 --> 00:53:03,740 When you think about it for two minutes, 1109 00:53:03,780 --> 00:53:06,270 it's still complete bullshit. 1110 00:53:06,310 --> 00:53:08,370 There this space God and he's himself 1111 00:53:08,410 --> 00:53:10,680 and he sent himself on a suicide mission. 1112 00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:13,740 He's a God, but he has a kid. He's a single parent. 1113 00:53:13,790 --> 00:53:17,720 It's just silly, but when you put it in the water analogy, 1114 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,990 I can see that, you know, those ladies there, 1115 00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:22,150 when they heard that the first time, they were like, done. 1116 00:53:22,190 --> 00:53:25,930 Sold. Oh, you had me at ice cube. 1117 00:53:25,970 --> 00:53:28,590 Moving on. Does it ever bother you 1118 00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:32,130 that the story of a man 1119 00:53:32,170 --> 00:53:35,570 who was born of a virgin was resurrected? 1120 00:53:35,610 --> 00:53:38,810 Your bio was something that was going around the Mediterranean 1121 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,540 for at least 1,000 years. 1122 00:53:40,580 --> 00:53:43,240 We've got Krishna who was in India 1123 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,880 1,000 years before Christ. Krishna was a carpenter, 1124 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,610 born of a virgin, baptized in a river. 1125 00:53:48,650 --> 00:53:50,620 Are you saying that was written in history? 1126 00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:52,420 That was written down in history, is that what you're saying? 1127 00:53:52,460 --> 00:53:56,120 Absolutely, there's the Persian god Mithra, 600 years before Christ. 1128 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,790 Born December 25th, performed miracles, 1129 00:53:58,830 --> 00:54:00,730 resurrected on the third day, 1130 00:54:00,770 --> 00:54:04,220 known as the Lamb, the Way, the Truth, the Light, the Savior, Messiah. 1131 00:54:04,270 --> 00:54:06,400 Stop! Blasphemer! 1132 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,700 All I know is that I don't go by that hearsay. 1133 00:54:08,740 --> 00:54:11,940 I go by the word of God. I know that's why I believe. 1134 00:54:11,980 --> 00:54:14,880 - Well, I believe it because it's truth. - Believe it, yes. 1135 00:54:14,910 --> 00:54:17,410 But there's a difference between truth and what you believe. 1136 00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:20,720 In the Bible it tells us that all things are possible with God, okay? 1137 00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:22,980 Study the religions of the Mediterranean region 1138 00:54:23,020 --> 00:54:24,580 for a thousand years before. 1139 00:54:24,620 --> 00:54:28,490 Many of the gods were born on December 25th. 1140 00:54:28,530 --> 00:54:31,190 - No, it's not. - It's not a new one. 1141 00:54:31,230 --> 00:54:33,260 It's funny you should bring that up because of course 1142 00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:34,960 in "Star Wars: Episode l... The Phantom Menace," 1143 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,660 Anakin is born to a virgin. 1144 00:54:36,700 --> 00:54:38,030 People see that and say, "Wait a second." 1145 00:54:38,070 --> 00:54:40,300 Where have we heard that before?" That's not original. 1146 00:54:40,340 --> 00:54:43,100 - But the Jesus story wasn't original. - How so? 1147 00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:36,050 Let me ask you a question. Let's say, if you take the side 1148 00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:39,360 - that this is all made up... - I do. 1149 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:40,730 What if you're wrong? 1150 00:55:42,170 --> 00:55:43,900 What if you're wrong? 1151 00:55:54,450 --> 00:55:58,310 1152 00:55:58,350 --> 00:56:01,880 1153 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,190 1154 00:56:04,220 --> 00:56:07,750 1155 00:56:09,230 --> 00:56:13,100 pressed in to see 1156 00:56:13,130 --> 00:56:15,360 1157 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,460 1158 00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:23,400 1159 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,140 1160 00:56:27,180 --> 00:56:30,410 1161 00:56:30,450 --> 00:56:32,710 1162 00:56:34,420 --> 00:56:37,390 walk that road 1163 00:56:37,420 --> 00:56:40,480 1164 00:56:40,530 --> 00:56:42,760 1165 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,130 1166 00:57:06,190 --> 00:57:08,420 Was Jesus a sinner? 1167 00:57:08,450 --> 00:57:12,080 One master. One word. I am your master. 1168 00:57:14,830 --> 00:57:17,850 Who do we put away in the asylums? 1169 00:57:25,470 --> 00:57:27,500 Xenu brought us here 1170 00:57:27,540 --> 00:57:29,510 75 million years ago, 1171 00:57:29,540 --> 00:57:32,240 stacked us around volcanoes 1172 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,540 and blew them up with an H-bomb. 1173 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,910 We are older than the universe. 1174 00:57:43,890 --> 00:57:46,150 You have to rid yourself 1175 00:57:46,190 --> 00:57:47,820 of the implants 1176 00:57:47,860 --> 00:57:50,950 from the extraterrestrial dictators! 1177 00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,230 - Get an E-Meter. Yes, get an E-Meter! - An E-meter? 1178 00:58:01,870 --> 00:58:03,340 Audit yourself. 1179 00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:09,770 How do you people expect to get to the next level? 1180 00:58:12,420 --> 00:58:14,440 I'm not making the rules. 1181 00:58:16,220 --> 00:58:18,210 Aw... 1182 00:58:20,260 --> 00:58:22,660 You know, Scientologists... 1183 00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:29,600 And right, you're like, "Oh, yeah, that's some crazy shit. Okay." 1184 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,570 Jesus with the virgin birth and the dove and the snake 1185 00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,010 who talked in the garden, that's cool. 1186 00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,200 "But the Scientologists, they're the crazy ones." 1187 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:40,400 That's not true. 1188 00:58:40,450 --> 00:58:42,610 That... that... I don't have any idea 1189 00:58:42,650 --> 00:58:44,880 of what you're talking about. 1190 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,940 But it has something to do with making sure 1191 00:58:46,990 --> 00:58:49,180 that we're born with a defect, 1192 00:58:49,220 --> 00:58:51,020 so that the souls of ours 1193 00:58:51,060 --> 00:58:53,420 are infected with aliens... 1194 00:58:53,460 --> 00:58:55,930 Thank you. 1195 00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,920 Because the cure? Scientology. 1196 00:58:59,970 --> 00:59:03,400 They're all crazy. Yes, the religions do get even crazier. 1197 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,930 They have to to keep up. 1198 00:59:05,970 --> 00:59:08,410 They keep raising the bar. After you've done the virgin birth, 1199 00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,600 you know, where do you go? 1200 00:59:27,590 --> 00:59:29,290 We're not getting the top? 1201 00:59:29,330 --> 00:59:31,060 - We got the top. - Oh, okay. 1202 00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:33,160 That's the Mormon Temple behind me. 1203 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,890 To be a Mormon is to believe some really crazy stuff, 1204 00:59:35,930 --> 00:59:39,390 crazy even by the standards of the big religions. 1205 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:40,960 When you're the new kid on the block... 1206 00:59:42,540 --> 00:59:45,740 Thank you. That was helpful. 1207 00:59:45,780 --> 00:59:47,300 You're the new kid on the block 1208 00:59:47,350 --> 00:59:49,110 and all the good crazy has already been picked over, 1209 00:59:49,150 --> 00:59:51,640 so you kind of have to up the ante. 1210 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,120 Oh. 1211 00:59:53,150 --> 00:59:55,020 God damn it. 1212 00:59:55,050 --> 00:59:57,540 Not while I'm in the middle of it. 1213 00:59:59,530 --> 01:00:01,990 Well, we do have it. 1214 01:00:02,030 --> 01:00:03,120 Boy, a lot of people came 1215 01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:04,890 - out of the woodwork. - Yeah. 1216 01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:12,660 So did you guys get anybody from the church to talk to? 1217 01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:15,370 Well, if you count getting thrown off the property 1218 01:00:15,410 --> 01:00:18,870 - "talked to." - That's probably better. 1219 01:00:18,910 --> 01:00:22,180 We'd like you to "Meet the Mormons." 1220 01:00:22,210 --> 01:00:24,580 In the founding scripture, you open up the Doctrine of Covenants, 1221 01:00:24,620 --> 01:00:26,740 you read the autobiography of Joseph Smith. 1222 01:00:26,790 --> 01:00:29,950 He quotes Jesus Christ as telling him 1223 01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:32,220 that every other creed on earth is, quote, 1224 01:00:32,260 --> 01:00:34,380 "an abomination." An abomination. 1225 01:00:34,430 --> 01:00:36,860 I mean, that's not a very ecumenical statement. 1226 01:00:36,900 --> 01:00:39,890 You're talking about things that, I think, at some level 1227 01:00:39,930 --> 01:00:42,560 you sense just do not make sense. 1228 01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,760 I'm glad you said that because I read some of the tenets of Mormonism, 1229 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,970 like "God lives on a planet near the star of Kalob." 1230 01:00:49,010 --> 01:00:50,740 - Kolob. - Kolob. 1231 01:00:50,780 --> 01:00:53,710 God the Father who's a physical man with a body of flesh and bone 1232 01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:57,310 is probably about 6' tall, lives on a place called Kolob, 1233 01:00:57,350 --> 01:01:00,680 had sexual relations with Mary... remember he's a man. 1234 01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,240 "Jesus Christ was conceived by God the father 1235 01:01:03,290 --> 01:01:05,310 having actual sex with Mary." 1236 01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,720 Mary said, "If this is what God wants", 1237 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,590 I'll be glad to do His will." 1238 01:01:09,630 --> 01:01:11,600 "Dark skin is a curse from God," 1239 01:01:11,630 --> 01:01:13,220 but if you're sufficiently righteous, 1240 01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:14,430 a dark-skinned person 1241 01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:16,730 "can become light-skinned." 1242 01:01:16,770 --> 01:01:19,200 According to the Book of Mormon, 1243 01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,710 after his resurrection, Jesus came to the Americas 1244 01:01:21,740 --> 01:01:23,670 to preach to the Indians. 1245 01:01:23,710 --> 01:01:26,770 "That American Indians are actually a lost tribe of Israel." 1246 01:01:26,810 --> 01:01:28,010 They're lost Jews. 1247 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:31,640 And also the idea 1248 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,170 that Christianity is American, 1249 01:01:34,220 --> 01:01:36,710 I think, is an amazing entitlement to a people 1250 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,520 who are always trying to meld God and country. 1251 01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,890 The Garden of Eden was in Missouri according to Mormonism. 1252 01:01:43,930 --> 01:01:45,790 The new Jerusalem will be there. 1253 01:01:45,830 --> 01:01:47,730 Branson, I'm hoping. 1254 01:01:47,770 --> 01:01:50,700 I've also heard that the Mormon Church baptizes dead people. 1255 01:01:50,740 --> 01:01:53,030 You can be baptized for about 50 people, 1256 01:01:53,070 --> 01:01:55,100 100 people that've died. 1257 01:01:55,140 --> 01:01:57,870 And so you just get dunked about 50 to 100 times. 1258 01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:59,470 That's baptism for the dead. 1259 01:01:59,510 --> 01:02:02,450 Caffeine is evil. That magic underwear can protect you. 1260 01:02:10,260 --> 01:02:13,490 And that you need a secret password to get into heaven. 1261 01:02:13,530 --> 01:02:15,820 Everyone must stand at the final judgment 1262 01:02:15,860 --> 01:02:18,800 before Joseph Smith, Jesus and Elohim. 1263 01:02:18,830 --> 01:02:20,300 This isn't an easy religion. 1264 01:02:20,330 --> 01:02:23,300 Why do you think it is that so few people 1265 01:02:23,340 --> 01:02:25,430 do what you have done and leave the church? 1266 01:02:25,470 --> 01:02:27,700 The moment you acknowledge to yourself that Joseph Smith 1267 01:02:27,740 --> 01:02:31,700 did not tell the truth about his experiences and his achievements, 1268 01:02:31,740 --> 01:02:34,580 you just committed social suicide. 1269 01:02:34,610 --> 01:02:36,440 - Family and friends... - Family and friends. 1270 01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,680 Will... you're off the deep end. 1271 01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,020 Dr. Andrew Newberg, nice to meet you. 1272 01:02:42,050 --> 01:02:46,290 I've finally met someone who's studied... neurotheology. 1273 01:02:46,330 --> 01:02:48,520 This is getting very close to something I always say, 1274 01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,930 which is that religion is a neurological disorder. 1275 01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,830 What does the brain look like when it's hopped up on God? 1276 01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:57,030 We see a lot of different colors, which help us to... 1277 01:02:57,070 --> 01:02:58,830 tell us what the activity is in the brain 1278 01:02:58,870 --> 01:03:01,770 and what we have found is that there are some very specific changes 1279 01:03:01,810 --> 01:03:04,300 when people are actually meditating or praying 1280 01:03:04,340 --> 01:03:06,780 or even speaking in tongues, which was our last study. 1281 01:03:06,810 --> 01:03:09,280 In the name of Jesus, 1282 01:03:09,310 --> 01:03:11,940 you've been made whole by the power of God. 1283 01:03:11,980 --> 01:03:14,150 - Speaking in tongues? - We studied people speaking in tongues. 1284 01:03:14,190 --> 01:03:16,310 They're just babbling, though, right? 1285 01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,620 They're not really speaking in a language they don't know. 1286 01:03:21,660 --> 01:03:24,630 It's not an actual language, but what's... 1287 01:03:24,660 --> 01:03:26,290 Just bullshit, Doc, come on. 1288 01:03:26,330 --> 01:03:28,160 Isn't that something? 1289 01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,480 I love you. 1290 01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,850 So you would agree that even if a billion people 1291 01:03:46,890 --> 01:03:49,350 believe something, it can still be ridiculous? 1292 01:03:49,390 --> 01:03:51,720 - Absolutely. - But the Jews, I mean, they're... 1293 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,520 excuse me, Jewish friends... but they're as cuckoo as anybody, 1294 01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,530 especially the really Orthodox ones. 1295 01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:00,120 You are one of the few Jewish people in the world 1296 01:04:00,170 --> 01:04:02,160 who does not believe in the state of Israel. 1297 01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:03,630 You do not think the state 1298 01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:06,930 - of Israel should exist. - Correct. 1299 01:04:06,970 --> 01:04:09,070 - Okay. - God gave us the land of Israel. 1300 01:04:09,110 --> 01:04:13,200 On Mount Sinai where we made this bond with God, 1301 01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:15,810 He said, "I'm giving you the land, but I'm stipulating..." 1302 01:04:15,850 --> 01:04:19,250 very clearly stipulating... you must be on a certain level of holiness." 1303 01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,010 You will see it clearly that we were sent out of the land. 1304 01:04:21,050 --> 01:04:23,180 So basically you're saying that 1305 01:04:23,220 --> 01:04:25,380 the Jewish people have not been holy enough 1306 01:04:25,420 --> 01:04:27,390 to deserve the land of Israel. 1307 01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:29,290 God understands what is good for us, what is bad for us... 1308 01:04:29,330 --> 01:04:31,520 - First of all... - what will bring us safety or not. 1309 01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:32,560 Let me just finish. 1310 01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:34,720 God told us, though, if you will go against God... 1311 01:04:34,770 --> 01:04:37,060 - God manipulates the world... - Okay, l... 1312 01:04:37,100 --> 01:04:38,900 Wait a second. Let me finish this. 1313 01:04:38,940 --> 01:04:40,960 God said if you're going to try to make the state, 1314 01:04:41,010 --> 01:04:43,070 you will be unsuccessful. 1315 01:04:43,110 --> 01:04:44,670 You are looking through... 1316 01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:47,640 you're trying to look at this world through a keyhole. 1317 01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,810 I'm looking through the key... 1318 01:04:49,850 --> 01:04:52,150 Let me finish. God is compassionate. 1319 01:04:52,180 --> 01:04:54,150 Everything is directly from God, we believe. 1320 01:04:54,190 --> 01:04:57,120 - But it seems to me... - I'll now explain what you're asking. 1321 01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,320 The concept of saying 1322 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,920 that we've suffered enough anti-Semitism... 1323 01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,620 Never again. 1324 01:05:03,660 --> 01:05:06,830 So you don't say "Never again." You say "Again." 1325 01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:09,830 Yeah. Let us understand that the Jewish people 1326 01:05:09,870 --> 01:05:11,560 were living in exile for 2,000 years 1327 01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,400 under God's protection 1328 01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,410 and we were living in Western civilization... 1329 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,530 - Germany, Poland. Not anymore... - Let me finish. 1330 01:05:17,580 --> 01:05:19,510 We were living amongst all nations throughout the years. 1331 01:05:19,540 --> 01:05:21,670 'Cause they're all dead. How many people died in the Holocaust? 1332 01:05:21,710 --> 01:05:25,110 You're jumping. Let's jump to the Holocaust. 1333 01:05:25,150 --> 01:05:27,780 I thought the issue was Jewish safety. 1334 01:05:27,820 --> 01:05:29,950 I thought the issue was how many Jews are dying. 1335 01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:32,010 So let's talk about Jewish safety. 1336 01:05:32,060 --> 01:05:34,050 Okay, I'm sure there was a few... 1337 01:05:34,090 --> 01:05:37,760 A couple million Jews died, that's okay, that's the wording you use? 1338 01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:41,230 You're the one who went to Iran in December 2006 1339 01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:42,960 for the president 1340 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,300 of that country's Holocaust "denial" conference. 1341 01:05:46,340 --> 01:05:48,170 Whoa, don't just throw words. 1342 01:05:59,350 --> 01:06:02,510 Why does Ahmadinejad say that he wants Israel 1343 01:06:02,550 --> 01:06:04,080 - to be wiped from the face of the... - When did he say that? 1344 01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,060 - He did. - He never said that. 1345 01:06:06,090 --> 01:06:07,650 What did he say? What was the exact quote? 1346 01:06:07,690 --> 01:06:11,890 - He said it should disappear. - What, is he David Copperfield? 1347 01:06:11,930 --> 01:06:15,160 - That's chutzpah. - Never again, Rabbi, never again. 1348 01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,070 Wait. One more second. 1349 01:06:17,100 --> 01:06:19,370 No, I'm out. 1350 01:06:21,410 --> 01:06:23,310 We have Conservatives. We have Reforms. 1351 01:06:23,340 --> 01:06:24,600 We have the Orthodox. 1352 01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,240 You are an observing Jew. 1353 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,140 It says it right there in the fourth commandment: 1354 01:06:29,180 --> 01:06:31,670 Honor the Sabbath day to keep it holy. 1355 01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,690 Friday night to Saturday night, you don't do anything. 1356 01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:38,750 Yeah, the rabbis over the centuries have created these prohibitions 1357 01:06:38,790 --> 01:06:41,220 as a way to try to protect the day of rest. 1358 01:06:41,260 --> 01:06:45,060 You can't use electricity. You can't drive. 1359 01:06:45,100 --> 01:06:48,690 Let's talk a little about keeping the Sabbath holy. 1360 01:06:48,730 --> 01:06:51,260 I've always wondered if it came about 1361 01:06:51,300 --> 01:06:54,360 because God rested on the Sabbath 1362 01:06:54,410 --> 01:06:56,370 and that's why man has to. 1363 01:06:56,410 --> 01:06:58,380 That's right, and that was the creation 1364 01:06:58,410 --> 01:07:00,280 of the seventh day, that there should be rest. 1365 01:07:00,310 --> 01:07:03,750 There are 39 types of specific actions 1366 01:07:03,780 --> 01:07:06,270 that cannot be done on the Sabbath. 1367 01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:07,910 One of them is lighting a fire. 1368 01:07:07,950 --> 01:07:09,680 Planting. Another one is plowing. 1369 01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,520 Another one is tying a knot, untying a knot. 1370 01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,530 One is building, and one is destroying so as to build. 1371 01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,690 So much more kosher is to develop these gadgets 1372 01:07:17,730 --> 01:07:20,130 - that figure out a way around it. - That's right. 1373 01:07:20,170 --> 01:07:22,860 It does seem that you are, to a degree, 1374 01:07:22,900 --> 01:07:24,960 trying to outsmart God. 1375 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,300 If the lawmaker never makes a mistake, 1376 01:07:28,340 --> 01:07:32,210 and still there's a loophole there, why is that loophole there? 1377 01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,610 To be used in a situation of need. 1378 01:07:34,650 --> 01:07:37,050 But how did this get updated 1379 01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:38,710 for a 4,000-year-old rule? 1380 01:07:38,750 --> 01:07:40,620 It seems there's an awful lot 1381 01:07:40,650 --> 01:07:42,310 that has to do with electricity. 1382 01:07:42,350 --> 01:07:44,410 Rabbi Halperin's work here is translating it 1383 01:07:44,460 --> 01:07:46,420 into something more modern. 1384 01:07:49,260 --> 01:07:51,230 Let's look at some of the gadgets you have. 1385 01:07:51,260 --> 01:07:54,790 I'm particularly interested in the phone. Is there not a cell phone? 1386 01:07:54,830 --> 01:07:56,600 It's not a cell phone. 1387 01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,230 Okay, wow. 1388 01:07:58,270 --> 01:08:00,970 I have to say, that looks modern. 1389 01:08:02,210 --> 01:08:05,770 Each number is trying to dial itself all the time. 1390 01:08:07,780 --> 01:08:10,650 Hello. Hello. 1391 01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:12,340 When I take the stick 1392 01:08:12,380 --> 01:08:15,080 - and I put it into the hole... - Hello. 1393 01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,210 I'm inhibiting that which is inhibiting 1394 01:08:17,260 --> 01:08:20,120 the number from dialing itself. 1395 01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:23,130 Let me ask about this. It's obviously a wheelchair. 1396 01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,290 - May I? - Sure. 1397 01:08:27,230 --> 01:08:30,170 Oh, wow. 1398 01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,470 And this is not the new model, I'm guessing. 1399 01:08:32,500 --> 01:08:34,800 - This is the experimental prototype. - I see. 1400 01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,170 Schmuck! 1401 01:08:37,210 --> 01:08:40,840 - This runs on air pressure, right? - Correct. 1402 01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,010 Basically, we've got 150 atmospheres 1403 01:08:43,050 --> 01:08:45,020 of pressure here. 1404 01:08:45,050 --> 01:08:47,520 We've got the turning it on, turning it off here. 1405 01:08:47,550 --> 01:08:49,710 So air is okay. 1406 01:08:49,750 --> 01:08:52,690 - Air good. Fire bad. - Fire bad. 1407 01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,060 Fire bad! 1408 01:08:55,090 --> 01:08:57,190 We've taken an old bicycle... 1409 01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,690 - I forgot what it's called. - Tire. 1410 01:09:01,730 --> 01:09:05,000 Okay. Air goes in, air goes out. 1411 01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:06,700 If I was a person in that wheelchair, 1412 01:09:06,740 --> 01:09:09,800 I might say to myself, "Why am I going to these lengths 1413 01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,330 to please God, who's taken away my legs to begin with?" 1414 01:09:13,380 --> 01:09:16,710 Okay. 1415 01:09:16,750 --> 01:09:18,880 That would be fascinating. It's an elevator. 1416 01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:20,940 Oh, it's a Shabbatavator. 1417 01:09:20,990 --> 01:09:23,040 Let me guess, you can't push a button... 1418 01:09:23,090 --> 01:09:25,610 - Correct. - On the Sabbath. 1419 01:09:25,660 --> 01:09:29,420 The issues behind the scenes that people don't see are the real problems. 1420 01:09:29,460 --> 01:09:31,760 An even bigger problem might be how do you get someone 1421 01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,430 to put this in their building if they're not completely nuts? 1422 01:09:35,470 --> 01:09:37,990 Well, actually, that really doesn't make a difference. 1423 01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:39,260 Hmm. 1424 01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:41,800 How we define what is crazy or not crazy 1425 01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:46,400 about religions is ultimately up to how we define crazy. 1426 01:09:46,440 --> 01:09:49,110 If you define mental illness as anyone who hears a voice 1427 01:09:49,150 --> 01:09:52,580 talking to them, then anyone who has heard the voice of God is crazy. 1428 01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,400 She talks about a prophecy 1429 01:10:12,440 --> 01:10:15,570 that these children needed to die. 1430 01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,970 The dispatcher asked "Why did you do this?" 1431 01:10:20,010 --> 01:10:22,840 "I was told to." "Who told you?" "God." 1432 01:10:26,250 --> 01:10:28,220 There is nothing 1433 01:10:28,250 --> 01:10:30,620 He may not ask of thee? 1434 01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,020 But in layman's terms, Jesus was nuts. 1435 01:10:34,060 --> 01:10:36,790 Moses..."Stay here, I'm going up 1436 01:10:36,830 --> 01:10:38,920 and getting the 10 Commandments right from God." 1437 01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,020 You know, 'cause one thing I've also... 1438 01:10:41,070 --> 01:10:43,660 We didn't have brain-scan technology back then, so it's a hard to tell. 1439 01:10:43,700 --> 01:10:46,470 I know, but if a guy says he went up on a mountain and he talked to God, 1440 01:10:46,500 --> 01:10:48,530 and He talked to him through a burning bush, 1441 01:10:48,570 --> 01:10:50,510 that guy's a cuckoo. 1442 01:11:08,860 --> 01:11:11,190 All those pastors who refer to me 1443 01:11:11,230 --> 01:11:14,200 as the anti-Christ, false prophet, 1444 01:11:14,230 --> 01:11:16,790 it's because they're miserable. 1445 01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:20,430 Anyone who doesn't believe in me is miserable. 1446 01:11:26,140 --> 01:11:28,740 - My mike is on? - Yes, sir. 1447 01:11:28,780 --> 01:11:31,080 Okay, who are you Biblically? 1448 01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:35,850 I am Jesus Christ man, the second coming of Christ, I am. 1449 01:11:35,890 --> 01:11:38,190 The Old Testament speaks about me clearly 1450 01:11:38,220 --> 01:11:39,880 and the New Testament also. 1451 01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,320 - About you personally? - Yes. 1452 01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:45,760 Not just because you have... you share the name Jesus? 1453 01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,560 - No, not because of that. - You also share the name Miranda. 1454 01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,300 Maybe you're Carmen Miranda. 1455 01:11:50,340 --> 01:11:52,330 Maybe the second coming of her? 1456 01:11:52,370 --> 01:11:55,860 You should have fruit on your head, instead of fruit in your head. 1457 01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:59,540 Okay. Fuck you. How's that? 1458 01:11:59,580 --> 01:12:02,980 Why do you think God chose you? 1459 01:12:03,010 --> 01:12:06,040 Jesus of Nazareth had a wife 1460 01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,020 so after they killed him, 1461 01:12:09,050 --> 01:12:12,990 his seed kept going, maybe through France, Spain, 1462 01:12:13,020 --> 01:12:16,360 and then from Spain, came to Puerto Rico. 1463 01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,530 The bloodline come from Abraham, Abraham to David, 1464 01:12:21,570 --> 01:12:23,230 David to Jesus of Nazareth, 1465 01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:25,900 Jesus of Nazareth, me. 1466 01:12:25,940 --> 01:12:28,430 Okay, I though a second coming 1467 01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:31,270 was the reincarnation 1468 01:12:31,310 --> 01:12:33,540 of the Christ himself, 1469 01:12:33,580 --> 01:12:35,810 not a descendant of. 1470 01:12:35,850 --> 01:12:37,710 No, he's a descendant. 1471 01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:40,880 Descendant? Oh... but you don't believe in hell? 1472 01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:42,980 - No. - Or the Devil? 1473 01:12:43,020 --> 01:12:45,550 - No. - Or even sin, right? 1474 01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:47,850 No, there's not a sin any longer. 1475 01:12:47,890 --> 01:12:51,850 What you teach is that Jesus died for our sins 1476 01:12:51,900 --> 01:12:55,330 and so there's not really any sinning anymore. 1477 01:12:55,370 --> 01:12:58,960 - No more sin. - This is like a diet doctor saying, 1478 01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:00,800 - "Eat anything you want." - Right. 1479 01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,100 "You don't lose weight, but it's easy to stick to." 1480 01:13:03,140 --> 01:13:04,270 That's what I believe, Bill. 1481 01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:06,210 Oh, I know you do. 1482 01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,800 And I have many people who believe in this. 1483 01:13:08,850 --> 01:13:10,810 And yet, you have a little... you have a little twinkle 1484 01:13:10,850 --> 01:13:12,820 in your eye when say it. 1485 01:13:12,850 --> 01:13:15,880 No, I believe in that. I believe. 1486 01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:19,880 How do we know? Because lots of people would like this job. 1487 01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:21,790 How do you get this job as the second coming? 1488 01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:23,380 It's not on Craigslist. 1489 01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:25,990 - Yeah. - I'm guessing. Maybe it is. 1490 01:13:26,030 --> 01:13:27,160 See, two angels... 1491 01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,460 Two guys named Angel, Spanish guys. 1492 01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:32,560 You know what I'm talking about, 1493 01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,160 you fucking cockroach! 1494 01:13:35,210 --> 01:13:37,170 - No. - Oh, actual angels. 1495 01:13:37,210 --> 01:13:39,510 - Two angels came to me... - Okay. 1496 01:13:39,540 --> 01:13:41,810 And they told me 1497 01:13:41,850 --> 01:13:44,340 "The Lord of Lords and King of Kings 1498 01:13:44,380 --> 01:13:47,280 is coming to anoint you for the ministry tonight." 1499 01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,910 What form did the angels come in? How tall? 1500 01:13:49,950 --> 01:13:51,950 Little tall and strong. 1501 01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:53,790 Whatever they told me, I obey. 1502 01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:55,920 I don't wanna mess with them. 1503 01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:57,480 But I'm just saying, 1504 01:13:57,530 --> 01:14:00,120 it seems that if God wanted 1505 01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,460 to communicate something to the world... 1506 01:14:02,500 --> 01:14:04,630 He's all powerful... 1507 01:14:04,670 --> 01:14:07,760 He would just talk to the whole world. 1508 01:14:07,810 --> 01:14:11,170 It always seems He picks out a prophet in private 1509 01:14:11,210 --> 01:14:14,140 and tells them, "Okay, you're the prophet." 1510 01:14:14,180 --> 01:14:16,840 - I am. - "You go tell the rest of the world." 1511 01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,610 So we just sort of have to take it on faith. 1512 01:14:18,650 --> 01:14:20,850 We just sort of have to believe you. 1513 01:14:20,890 --> 01:14:23,010 Right, yeah, it's true. 1514 01:14:26,060 --> 01:14:29,050 Abraham. Noah. 1515 01:14:29,090 --> 01:14:31,620 Lord, what shall I do? 1516 01:14:31,660 --> 01:14:33,150 Moses, 1517 01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,720 climb the mount alone. 1518 01:14:35,770 --> 01:14:38,700 Once again, the Lord had spoken to Joseph Smith 1519 01:14:38,740 --> 01:14:41,140 as he had to Adam, Abraham, 1520 01:14:41,170 --> 01:14:44,900 Moses, Paul and others. 1521 01:14:44,940 --> 01:14:46,970 I am the first Christian. 1522 01:14:47,010 --> 01:14:50,640 And the rest are really kind of Jewish, you're saying, 1523 01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:52,710 because they're following a Jew. 1524 01:14:52,750 --> 01:14:54,380 That's it. 1525 01:14:54,420 --> 01:14:56,390 In fact, they put on the plates... 1526 01:14:56,420 --> 01:14:59,290 they say "My boss is a Jewish carpenter." 1527 01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,820 How ridiculous is that? A Jewish carpenter! 1528 01:15:02,860 --> 01:15:05,330 - Imagine. - Come on, Jews hire carpenters. 1529 01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:06,990 They don't... 1530 01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:10,330 you know, people say "I found my calling in life." 1531 01:15:10,370 --> 01:15:12,600 And it's a good calling. It's a nice living. 1532 01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,000 People adore you. Everywhere you go, 1533 01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,870 they treat you like Christ, like you're the Messiah. 1534 01:15:17,910 --> 01:15:21,310 You know, if I discovered that I was Satan in person, 1535 01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:23,210 I would do a good job, too, 1536 01:15:23,250 --> 01:15:25,720 because I would be faithful to my calling. 1537 01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:28,010 It's how you do your work, isn't it? 1538 01:15:28,050 --> 01:15:29,990 You know, at the end of the day, whether you're the Messiah 1539 01:15:30,020 --> 01:15:32,490 or you're Satan, it's loving what you do 1540 01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:34,290 and giving it 100%. 1541 01:15:34,330 --> 01:15:36,260 I give 100%. 1542 01:15:36,290 --> 01:15:40,030 I wasn't born skeptical. 1543 01:15:40,060 --> 01:15:43,190 I was still making deals with "God" when I was 40. 1544 01:15:43,230 --> 01:15:45,130 I remember I quit smoking. 1545 01:15:45,170 --> 01:15:47,570 There was some shitty problem I had in my life, 1546 01:15:47,610 --> 01:15:49,370 and I made a deal with God, 1547 01:15:49,410 --> 01:15:51,430 "Okay, if you make this problem go away," 1548 01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:54,340 I will quit smoking, and I won't go back on it 1549 01:15:54,380 --> 01:15:57,110 "'cause I'd know I'd be going back on a deal with God." 1550 01:15:57,150 --> 01:15:58,950 And you know, I gotta say, 1551 01:15:58,980 --> 01:16:01,580 I'm kind of glad I had "God" 1552 01:16:01,620 --> 01:16:03,310 in my life. 1553 01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:05,820 You are the head 1554 01:16:05,860 --> 01:16:10,260 of the First Universal Church of Cantheism... 1555 01:16:10,290 --> 01:16:12,890 - Yes. - Which is really built around 1556 01:16:12,930 --> 01:16:15,660 - this substance here. - No. 1557 01:16:15,700 --> 01:16:18,830 No? Okay, I got that wrong. 1558 01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:20,900 But it's built around smoking this. 1559 01:16:20,940 --> 01:16:23,240 I mean, it has no dogma, right? 1560 01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:24,900 You're not preaching to anybody. You're not saying 1561 01:16:24,940 --> 01:16:27,670 - you'll save their souls, no rituals. - No. 1562 01:16:27,710 --> 01:16:29,740 How does this differ from just getting wasted? 1563 01:16:29,780 --> 01:16:31,910 I mean that in the best possible way, but... 1564 01:16:31,950 --> 01:16:34,140 I understand the concept of God, 1565 01:16:34,190 --> 01:16:37,350 a feeling of one with everything else. 1566 01:16:37,390 --> 01:16:39,980 Do you feel that every time you smoke pot? 1567 01:16:40,020 --> 01:16:42,150 No. 1568 01:16:42,190 --> 01:16:44,530 Phew! I thought it was just me. 1569 01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:48,160 So why do you think it's this family of drugs 1570 01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,290 that's so good for opening our minds 1571 01:16:51,340 --> 01:16:53,270 as opposed to ludes, PCP, 1572 01:16:53,300 --> 01:16:56,740 or smashing up your mother's diet pills and smoking 'em in a pipe? 1573 01:16:58,380 --> 01:17:00,570 I don't know. I don't know. 1574 01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:06,780 So I did want to get your thoughts 1575 01:17:06,820 --> 01:17:09,410 about what's going on in this city. This is your city. 1576 01:17:09,450 --> 01:17:12,350 There's a lot of controversy with... 1577 01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:14,520 maybe the Dutch are so tolerant 1578 01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,490 that they're now tolerating intolerance. 1579 01:17:17,530 --> 01:17:20,120 There's a lot of tension with the Muslim community. 1580 01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:23,330 It's all religious fundamentalists. 1581 01:17:23,370 --> 01:17:25,770 They already killed Theo Van Gogh, 1582 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,900 who was a known television maker. 1583 01:17:28,940 --> 01:17:32,470 This is the spot where Theo Van Gogh 1584 01:17:32,510 --> 01:17:35,410 - was assassinated? - This is exactly the spot. 1585 01:17:35,450 --> 01:17:37,970 He was a Dutch filmmaker. He made a 10-minute film. 1586 01:17:38,020 --> 01:17:41,780 It was deeply offensive to Muslims. 1587 01:17:41,820 --> 01:17:45,120 Oh, Allah, you say that men are the protectors 1588 01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,060 and maintainers of women 1589 01:17:47,090 --> 01:17:49,860 because you have given the one more strength than the other. 1590 01:17:49,890 --> 01:17:51,620 I feel at least once a week, 1591 01:17:51,660 --> 01:17:54,260 the strength of my husband's fist 1592 01:17:54,300 --> 01:17:56,030 on my face. 1593 01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:58,560 Lots of people think that free speech 1594 01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:03,370 goes right up to this point and then when you're talking about religion, 1595 01:18:03,410 --> 01:18:06,900 when you're talking about the Prophet, all bets are off. 1596 01:18:06,940 --> 01:18:09,040 It goes both ways, freedom of speech. 1597 01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,640 It goes both ways, but the people who actually... 1598 01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:15,520 usually do the killing for it wind up on the Muslim side. 1599 01:18:15,550 --> 01:18:18,550 Do you think that says something about the different cultures? 1600 01:18:18,590 --> 01:18:21,020 I don't want to have the image of the Muslims, 1601 01:18:21,060 --> 01:18:22,720 you know, if they don't like something you say, 1602 01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:24,230 they kill you, because it's not. 1603 01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:29,560 It was a noisy crowd outside the Danish embassy in London 1604 01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:33,300 as speakers condemned the cartoons portraying the Prophet Mohammed. 1605 01:18:33,340 --> 01:18:36,830 I wish I could get your music in America, 1606 01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:41,040 but considering how controversial it's been here in England... 1607 01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:48,350 Initially, when I did the record, 1608 01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:50,580 a lot of people supported it, 1609 01:18:50,620 --> 01:18:53,780 but then, in the current times that we're in, 1610 01:18:53,820 --> 01:18:55,310 people got really scared. 1611 01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,850 It just shows the stupidity of society, 1612 01:18:57,900 --> 01:19:01,300 which refuses to discuss, 1613 01:19:01,330 --> 01:19:04,270 debate things in an intelligent way. 1614 01:19:04,300 --> 01:19:05,830 And I don't except that. 1615 01:19:05,870 --> 01:19:07,740 I just put my middle finger up. 1616 01:19:07,770 --> 01:19:10,140 One of your big gripes... and it's a valid one... 1617 01:19:10,170 --> 01:19:13,540 you keep saying that... in fact, let me read your quote. 1618 01:19:13,580 --> 01:19:15,550 You said, "Anyone worried about what I'm saying" 1619 01:19:15,580 --> 01:19:19,310 should get involved in the debate. You are allowed to dissent. 1620 01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:21,610 - "That is a right." - Yeah. 1621 01:19:21,650 --> 01:19:25,250 But is that a right in Islam, to dissent? 1622 01:19:25,290 --> 01:19:27,380 Of course it is. Why do you think there's so many schools of thought? 1623 01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:31,160 - Why do you think there's... - It wasn't a right for Salman Rushdie. 1624 01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,160 The demonstrators set off from Hyde Park, 1625 01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:35,860 bringing much of central London to a standstill. 1626 01:19:35,900 --> 01:19:39,100 Their hatred focused on Salman Rushdie and his book. 1627 01:19:39,140 --> 01:19:41,970 The mullahs pressed home their message in thousands of mosques... 1628 01:19:42,010 --> 01:19:44,000 Salman Rushdie must be killed. 1629 01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:46,740 See, Salman Rushdie was there to provoke, 1630 01:19:46,780 --> 01:19:49,580 insult, and he did it intentionally, right? 1631 01:19:49,610 --> 01:19:51,270 But should you die for that? 1632 01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,650 No no, well, I mean, like, that was... 1633 01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:55,380 you know, it's easy for you to say 1634 01:19:55,420 --> 01:19:57,510 things are kind of in black and white. 1635 01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,920 They're more complex than that. 1636 01:19:59,960 --> 01:20:02,150 There's emotions and passions 1637 01:20:02,190 --> 01:20:04,180 and philosophy involved 1638 01:20:04,230 --> 01:20:06,820 - and all that stuff. - You know, all you gotta say is 1639 01:20:06,860 --> 01:20:10,360 it's wrong for someone to have to suffer a death threat 1640 01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:12,930 - for writing a book. - Well, hang on. 1641 01:20:12,970 --> 01:20:14,460 But apparently, it's more complicated than that. 1642 01:20:14,510 --> 01:20:17,240 Well, it is because... but I mean, Western... 1643 01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:19,670 We'll never see eye to eye there, 1644 01:20:19,710 --> 01:20:22,040 but you want that protection for yourself. 1645 01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,050 No, I think these debates are a lot... 1646 01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:27,920 I'm willing to discuss 'em in terms of facts and not fictions. 1647 01:20:27,950 --> 01:20:29,480 When you disagree with me, it's a fiction. 1648 01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,390 - No no. - You have the truth 1649 01:20:31,420 --> 01:20:32,910 - and I have the fiction. - No, I don't have the truth. 1650 01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:34,820 But you don't see that there's a fundamental hypocrisy 1651 01:20:34,860 --> 01:20:36,950 of you asking for the right to dissent 1652 01:20:36,990 --> 01:20:39,090 and somebody else getting a death threat? 1653 01:20:39,130 --> 01:20:42,430 No no, 'cause my dissent is to stop the madness. 1654 01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:49,860 I'm here with Geert Wilders here in The Hague, 1655 01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:51,530 which of course is home to the World Court, 1656 01:20:51,580 --> 01:20:53,370 but also to the Dutch Parliament. 1657 01:20:53,410 --> 01:20:56,540 You are taking a kind of hard line here 1658 01:20:56,580 --> 01:20:58,280 in the Netherlands. 1659 01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,610 Islam is, according to me, a violent religion. 1660 01:21:01,650 --> 01:21:03,620 The Koran is a violent book 1661 01:21:03,650 --> 01:21:05,620 and Mohammed was a violent prophet. 1662 01:21:05,660 --> 01:21:08,120 Do you think Islam wants to take over the world? 1663 01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,320 - They don't even make... - Right right. 1664 01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,060 A secret about it. 1665 01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:13,620 We are infidels. 1666 01:21:13,660 --> 01:21:16,900 I mean, we should either become Islamic or we should be killed. 1667 01:21:16,930 --> 01:21:19,030 This is what they say. This is what they are proud of. 1668 01:21:19,070 --> 01:21:21,400 Okay, we're here at Habibi Ana. 1669 01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:23,460 - Did I say that right? - Yeah. 1670 01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:25,440 You guys, really... I mean, 1671 01:21:25,480 --> 01:21:27,410 gay Muslim activists, 1672 01:21:27,450 --> 01:21:30,970 that is a very rare job description. You guys have balls. 1673 01:21:32,650 --> 01:21:34,350 How big is the gay community... 1674 01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:37,580 the gay Muslim community here in Amsterdam? 1675 01:21:37,620 --> 01:21:39,920 Or is this it? 1676 01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:43,920 I mean, I'm guessing, Thursday isn't... 1677 01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,660 isn't gay night here. 1678 01:21:46,700 --> 01:21:49,260 I hope you guys find each other attractive, 1679 01:21:49,300 --> 01:21:51,390 'cause otherwise... 1680 01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:52,830 you don't feel afraid? 1681 01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:54,270 Here in Holland I'm not, 1682 01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:56,770 but when I came from my country, I was very afraid. 1683 01:21:56,810 --> 01:21:58,100 There was an article of law: 1684 01:21:58,140 --> 01:22:00,300 Punish the gay for one year just because he's gay. 1685 01:22:00,340 --> 01:22:02,900 - Just being gay can get you a year. - Just being gay. 1686 01:22:02,950 --> 01:22:04,510 Same as Alabama. 1687 01:22:05,950 --> 01:22:08,750 What I learned is that they're not really... 1688 01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:11,410 they're not specific against homosexuality. 1689 01:22:11,460 --> 01:22:14,020 They're not specific against, in other words, 1690 01:22:14,060 --> 01:22:16,490 the desire of a man for a man. 1691 01:22:16,530 --> 01:22:20,020 What they are against is specific behavior, 1692 01:22:20,060 --> 01:22:21,830 like anal sex. 1693 01:22:21,870 --> 01:22:25,960 They don't say homosexuality, heterosexuality. 1694 01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,800 They just don't want you doing it in the naughty place, 1695 01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,400 which I guess, 1696 01:22:30,440 --> 01:22:33,140 if you put that out of the picture in homosexuality, 1697 01:22:33,180 --> 01:22:36,670 what do you have left? Just the blowjob. 1698 01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:40,110 What do you think when people say 1699 01:22:40,150 --> 01:22:42,420 it affects your memory, 1700 01:22:42,450 --> 01:22:44,650 especially your short-term memory? 1701 01:22:44,690 --> 01:22:47,890 - It does. - And what do you think when people say 1702 01:22:47,930 --> 01:22:51,360 that it affects your memory, your short-term memory? 1703 01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,190 It does. 1704 01:22:55,530 --> 01:22:58,990 - I like my hat. - It's good. You look good, too. 1705 01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,160 I think I do. I think I might adopt this look. 1706 01:23:01,210 --> 01:23:02,210 Yes. 1707 01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,470 Is there a reason why you have a black hat 1708 01:23:04,510 --> 01:23:06,030 and I have a white hat? 1709 01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,410 We have any color you like. 1710 01:23:08,450 --> 01:23:11,410 So I bought this. I like it myself 1711 01:23:11,450 --> 01:23:13,640 because I like the color. 1712 01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:17,480 There is a lot of tension in the last five years or so. 1713 01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:21,510 Is Islam a threat to Dutch values? 1714 01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:24,050 Islam is preaching, 1715 01:23:24,090 --> 01:23:26,090 above all, peace. 1716 01:23:26,130 --> 01:23:28,360 Peace, peace and peace. 1717 01:23:50,650 --> 01:23:53,050 The name Islam means peace. 1718 01:23:53,090 --> 01:23:55,390 And yet it is involved in a lot of war and violence. 1719 01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:57,290 Yeah, it's just all politics. 1720 01:23:57,330 --> 01:23:59,190 - Nothing to do with religion? - No no. 1721 01:23:59,230 --> 01:24:00,860 - No? - No, sir. 1722 01:24:00,900 --> 01:24:02,870 - It's political. - It's politics. 1723 01:24:02,900 --> 01:24:04,700 Seems to be a lot of passages 1724 01:24:04,740 --> 01:24:07,140 that say the infidel 1725 01:24:07,170 --> 01:24:10,470 is not the equal of the believer. 1726 01:24:10,510 --> 01:24:12,570 The infidel will die in hell. 1727 01:24:12,610 --> 01:24:15,580 Don't feel bad about hating the infidel. 1728 01:24:15,610 --> 01:24:18,740 - No. - No? 1729 01:24:18,780 --> 01:24:20,770 Boy, I've got bad information. 1730 01:24:20,820 --> 01:24:22,080 Yes, you have. I think so. 1731 01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,710 - No no no no no. - No no no no. 1732 01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:26,310 - No no no no. - No. 1733 01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:28,990 No? No. I'm wrong about everything. 1734 01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:32,760 The way I perceive things in the Koran is not about killing infidels. 1735 01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,560 - But you have read it in there? - Of course I've read the Koran. 1736 01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,430 You've read those passages, and what did you think when you read them? 1737 01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:40,990 No, but I explain those passages within the time 1738 01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,130 in which they emerged in the world. 1739 01:24:43,170 --> 01:24:44,660 That's not how people read holy books. 1740 01:24:44,710 --> 01:24:46,300 People don't read holy books and go, 1741 01:24:46,340 --> 01:24:49,010 "Well, that was good for then." People who read holy books and go, 1742 01:24:49,050 --> 01:24:51,210 "This is the word of God. It's forever!" 1743 01:24:51,250 --> 01:24:54,150 - No, I don't agree. - That's how most people do it. 1744 01:24:54,180 --> 01:24:56,780 I just don't buy it that these guys are 1745 01:24:56,820 --> 01:24:59,080 in this state of denial. 1746 01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:01,820 I think they're just in a state of denial 1747 01:25:01,860 --> 01:25:03,850 to an outsider. 1748 01:25:03,890 --> 01:25:06,620 They will not admit anything is wrong 1749 01:25:06,660 --> 01:25:09,360 with their culture to an outsider. 1750 01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:11,490 Muslims were imperialists 1751 01:25:11,540 --> 01:25:14,270 in the century after Mohammed's death. 1752 01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:16,970 They conquered most of the known world 1753 01:25:17,010 --> 01:25:18,700 in one century. 1754 01:25:18,740 --> 01:25:21,680 Yeah, it is possible. 1755 01:25:21,710 --> 01:25:23,610 You call it conquer. 1756 01:25:23,650 --> 01:25:25,380 I think they were trying 1757 01:25:25,420 --> 01:25:28,390 to spread Islam. 1758 01:25:28,420 --> 01:25:32,010 Well, they were, but they weren't doing it by singing "Kumbaya." 1759 01:25:32,060 --> 01:25:33,990 Excuse me. 1760 01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:36,850 Sorry. 1761 01:25:36,890 --> 01:25:39,890 Oh, that 21st century's always busting in. 1762 01:25:41,930 --> 01:25:43,960 I'm going to shut it off. 1763 01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,960 I love it that he's got "Kashmir" as his ringtone. 1764 01:25:52,710 --> 01:25:54,700 Okay, I shut it off. 1765 01:25:54,750 --> 01:25:57,040 - Sorry, I was... - Yeah... 1766 01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:00,120 Politics, okay. 1767 01:26:02,850 --> 01:26:05,850 Do you think it's possible that when we're on something 1768 01:26:05,890 --> 01:26:07,720 like marijuana or mushrooms 1769 01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,820 and believe we're having a very spiritual experience, 1770 01:26:10,860 --> 01:26:13,390 that we're just high? 1771 01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:16,520 - It's... it's... - Oh, look out your head's on fire! 1772 01:26:16,570 --> 01:26:18,760 Boy, talk about the light bulb going off, 1773 01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:22,260 - that was your whole head. - I don't like candles behind me. 1774 01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:25,500 No. Oh, look, I found another joint. 1775 01:26:25,540 --> 01:26:27,530 Uh-oh. 1776 01:26:28,980 --> 01:26:31,410 Can we get closer? 1777 01:26:31,450 --> 01:26:34,580 That is one hell of a wall. 1778 01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,170 This is the Dome of the Rock? 1779 01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:55,300 This is the Dome of the Rock. According to Islam... 1780 01:27:00,580 --> 01:27:01,940 On a horse? 1781 01:27:09,090 --> 01:27:10,330 He went to heaven on the horse? 1782 01:27:11,260 --> 01:27:12,650 Why is it holy for the Jews? 1783 01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:39,380 A rock. The Kaaba? 1784 01:27:39,420 --> 01:27:41,080 Isn't that... 1785 01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:44,880 Stone, rock, the same thing. 1786 01:27:46,490 --> 01:27:48,580 Why is that holy? 1787 01:27:51,660 --> 01:27:52,690 Paradise. 1788 01:27:52,730 --> 01:27:56,460 Could the rock itself have been what we know now to be like a meteor? 1789 01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,670 But does it make a difference that we now understand 1790 01:28:02,710 --> 01:28:04,170 what a meteor is? 1791 01:28:05,480 --> 01:28:06,500 Yes, right. 1792 01:28:06,540 --> 01:28:08,170 Okay. 1793 01:28:08,210 --> 01:28:10,180 This is the Mount of Olives. 1794 01:28:10,210 --> 01:28:13,450 A lot of Orthodox Jews want to be buried here, 1795 01:28:13,480 --> 01:28:15,880 'cause they believe that when the Messiah comes, 1796 01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,010 he will raise them from the dead and march them through 1797 01:28:18,060 --> 01:28:21,320 that golden gate and onto the Temple Mount, 1798 01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,990 which is why the Muslims have walled up the gate. 1799 01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:27,460 The better to keep out the Jewish Messiah 1800 01:28:27,500 --> 01:28:29,900 and his kosher zombies from getting in. 1801 01:28:29,930 --> 01:28:33,840 Although you'd think that if you had the power to raise the dead, 1802 01:28:33,870 --> 01:28:36,170 you'd have the power to jump a fence. 1803 01:28:38,440 --> 01:28:40,070 I thought I would not be allowed 1804 01:28:40,110 --> 01:28:42,670 to walk in a mosque. 1805 01:28:42,710 --> 01:28:44,180 I thought only someone of your faith 1806 01:28:44,210 --> 01:28:45,940 was allowed to do that. 1807 01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:02,620 Why is he angry? 1808 01:29:04,270 --> 01:29:05,860 They're angry that you're talking to me? 1809 01:29:12,580 --> 01:29:15,240 Women in your culture 1810 01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:17,750 seem not to be as equal 1811 01:29:17,780 --> 01:29:20,150 to the man as they are in our culture. 1812 01:29:22,090 --> 01:29:23,250 Yes. 1813 01:29:25,060 --> 01:29:27,490 I talked to a Muslim scholar today. 1814 01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:31,620 And he said that Mohammed had a meeting here. 1815 01:29:39,970 --> 01:29:43,240 Mohammed never set his foot 1816 01:29:43,270 --> 01:29:46,610 on that Temple Mount, not even one foot. 1817 01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:49,270 Never ever. 1818 01:29:49,310 --> 01:29:52,910 He was never in the land of Israel, that's a historical fact. 1819 01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:05,960 I think even I understand that. 1820 01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:09,730 Why can't the people of the different faiths get along? 1821 01:30:09,770 --> 01:30:13,730 All three religions consider the same site 1822 01:30:13,770 --> 01:30:15,760 to be holy. 1823 01:30:17,610 --> 01:30:20,100 Is it not because it was conquered many times? 1824 01:30:20,140 --> 01:30:24,140 - Yes. - It was conquered first by King David, 1825 01:30:24,180 --> 01:30:26,150 and then later by the armies coming out 1826 01:30:26,180 --> 01:30:29,020 of the Arabian Desert. 1827 01:30:29,050 --> 01:30:30,750 - It changed hands during the crusades. - We had the Romans. 1828 01:30:30,790 --> 01:30:32,470 We had the Byzantines. We had the Persians. 1829 01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:38,920 There's more than one mosque in the world 1830 01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,860 that used to be a church, and before that was a temple. 1831 01:30:41,900 --> 01:30:45,330 Because it's a lot easier just to change the sign on the top 1832 01:30:45,370 --> 01:30:46,800 and say "under new management" 1833 01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:49,430 than it is to change the whole building. 1834 01:30:49,470 --> 01:30:51,440 I worked a lot of comedy clubs in the '80s 1835 01:30:51,480 --> 01:30:54,340 that still had the disco ball on the ceiling. 1836 01:30:54,380 --> 01:30:56,850 And in the '90s, they became strip clubs 1837 01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,470 and now they're a Starbucks. 1838 01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:03,480 I've come today to the village of Cerne Abbas in Southern England 1839 01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:06,980 to show you something completely different. 1840 01:31:07,020 --> 01:31:09,960 It's in the shape of a giant naked man 1841 01:31:09,990 --> 01:31:13,290 with a sizable erection... well, sizable for England. 1842 01:31:13,330 --> 01:31:14,820 Some people think that this means 1843 01:31:14,870 --> 01:31:17,990 that there is a giant actually buried under that hill. 1844 01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:20,000 Others think it has something to do with crop circles 1845 01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:23,100 or ancient space visitors or Druids, 1846 01:31:23,140 --> 01:31:25,110 but nobody really knows. 1847 01:31:25,140 --> 01:31:27,630 And that's what I find fascinating about this, 1848 01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:30,310 is that it doesn't really mean anything. 1849 01:31:30,350 --> 01:31:33,150 The locals have been maintaining it for centuries, 1850 01:31:33,180 --> 01:31:35,210 and they don't really know why. 1851 01:31:35,250 --> 01:31:37,280 They just do it because they've always done it, 1852 01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:39,520 and isn't that religion for you? 1853 01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:42,860 Sometimes you kneel, sometimes you fast 1854 01:31:42,890 --> 01:31:44,950 and sometimes you go up on the hill 1855 01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:48,060 and you cut the grass around the giant space penis. 1856 01:31:48,100 --> 01:31:50,230 Do you believe, as so many Christians do nowadays, 1857 01:31:50,270 --> 01:31:52,240 that the world will end? 1858 01:31:52,270 --> 01:31:55,260 I think we are in the end times. There are many many signs. 1859 01:31:55,310 --> 01:31:57,710 The world as we know it will come to an end. 1860 01:31:57,740 --> 01:31:59,210 And beyond that, 1861 01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,540 there will be the glorious second coming of Jesus Christ. 1862 01:32:05,420 --> 01:32:08,040 It seems peaceful, 1863 01:32:08,090 --> 01:32:11,320 but this is the very spot where a lot of Christians believe 1864 01:32:11,350 --> 01:32:13,050 life on earth will end. 1865 01:32:13,090 --> 01:32:15,520 The irony of religion is that because 1866 01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:18,260 of its power to divert man 1867 01:32:18,300 --> 01:32:20,660 to destructive courses, 1868 01:32:20,700 --> 01:32:23,790 the world actually could come to an end. 1869 01:32:23,830 --> 01:32:26,430 A lot of people in this country believe 1870 01:32:26,470 --> 01:32:27,870 in end times. 1871 01:32:27,900 --> 01:32:30,530 There will be this great reckoning, the Rapture. 1872 01:32:30,570 --> 01:32:33,300 - Do you believe that? - I do. 1873 01:32:40,350 --> 01:32:42,910 But if you believe that the world is gonna come to an end, 1874 01:32:42,950 --> 01:32:44,920 and perhaps any day now, 1875 01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,620 does it not drain one's motivation 1876 01:32:47,660 --> 01:32:50,090 to improve life on earth while we're here? 1877 01:33:01,140 --> 01:33:03,800 The plain fact is, religion must die 1878 01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,000 for mankind to live. 1879 01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:08,980 The hour is getting very late to be able to indulge 1880 01:33:09,010 --> 01:33:12,640 in having key decisions made by religious people, 1881 01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:15,810 by irrationalists, by those who would steer the ship of state 1882 01:33:15,850 --> 01:33:18,820 not by a compass, but by the equivalent 1883 01:33:18,860 --> 01:33:21,260 of reading the entrails of a chicken. 1884 01:33:21,290 --> 01:33:23,620 George Bush prayed a lot about Iraq, 1885 01:33:23,660 --> 01:33:25,490 but he didn't learn a lot about it. 1886 01:33:25,530 --> 01:33:27,000 I don't know that much about politics, 1887 01:33:27,030 --> 01:33:28,620 I'll vote for President Bush because of his faith. 1888 01:33:28,670 --> 01:33:32,930 Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking. 1889 01:33:32,970 --> 01:33:34,600 It's nothing to brag about. 1890 01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:37,470 And those who preach faith and enable and elevate it 1891 01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:40,140 are our intellectual slaveholders, 1892 01:33:40,180 --> 01:33:42,480 keeping mankind in a bondage 1893 01:33:42,510 --> 01:33:44,500 to fantasy and nonsense 1894 01:33:44,550 --> 01:33:46,350 that has spawned and justified 1895 01:33:46,380 --> 01:33:49,510 so much lunacy and destruction. 1896 01:33:49,550 --> 01:33:52,850 Religion is dangerous because it allows human beings 1897 01:33:52,890 --> 01:33:54,360 who don't have all the answers 1898 01:33:54,390 --> 01:33:56,450 to think that they do. 1899 01:33:56,490 --> 01:33:58,460 Most people would think it's wonderful when someone says, 1900 01:33:58,500 --> 01:34:01,690 "I'm willing, Lord. I'll do whatever You want me to do." 1901 01:34:01,730 --> 01:34:05,830 Except that since there are no gods actually talking to us, 1902 01:34:05,870 --> 01:34:09,500 that void is filled in by people with their own corruptions, 1903 01:34:09,540 --> 01:34:13,030 - limitations and agendas. - It's going to happen, 1904 01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:15,100 and I'm not saying necessarily nuclear... 1905 01:34:15,150 --> 01:34:16,510 The Lord didn't say nuclear... 1906 01:34:16,550 --> 01:34:18,710 but I do believe it'll be something like that. 1907 01:34:18,750 --> 01:34:20,480 And anyone who tells you they know... 1908 01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:23,510 they just know what happens when you die, 1909 01:34:23,550 --> 01:34:25,450 I promise you, you don't. 1910 01:34:25,490 --> 01:34:28,820 How can I be so sure? Because I don't know, 1911 01:34:28,860 --> 01:34:32,060 and you do not possess mental powers that I do not. 1912 01:34:32,100 --> 01:34:34,690 The only appropriate attitude for man to have 1913 01:34:34,730 --> 01:34:37,200 about the big questions 1914 01:34:37,230 --> 01:34:39,600 is not the arrogant certitude 1915 01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:41,660 that is the hallmark of religion, 1916 01:34:41,710 --> 01:34:44,670 but doubt. Doubt is humble, 1917 01:34:44,710 --> 01:34:46,540 and that's what man needs to be, 1918 01:34:46,580 --> 01:34:50,240 considering that human history is just a litany 1919 01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:53,270 of getting shit dead wrong. 1920 01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:55,780 Jesus is coming back to rescue the Jews, 1921 01:34:55,820 --> 01:34:58,220 because he is the only one that can. 1922 01:34:58,260 --> 01:35:00,720 The believer goes in the paradise. 1923 01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:04,090 Unbeliever, they will go to hell. 1924 01:35:04,130 --> 01:35:07,460 The Jews are the only reason that I am a Christian. 1925 01:35:07,500 --> 01:35:09,590 - I love them. - But you're not gonna take them 1926 01:35:09,630 --> 01:35:12,230 - to heaven with you, are you? - I'm gonna go in the Rapture, 1927 01:35:12,270 --> 01:35:15,070 and I'm gonna come back on a white horse. 1928 01:35:25,250 --> 01:35:28,270 So you think Jesus will end this earth at some point, 1929 01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:29,950 maybe in your lifetime? 1930 01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:31,950 One always hopes. This is a sign, and that is a sign. 1931 01:35:31,990 --> 01:35:34,080 If a nuclear bomb went off, 1932 01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:36,960 and it seemed like that was exactly what it had said, 1933 01:35:36,990 --> 01:35:39,460 balls of fire or something, 1934 01:35:39,500 --> 01:35:41,430 you wouldn't look on that as necessarily a bad thing. 1935 01:35:41,460 --> 01:35:43,090 I know I'll be with God. 1936 01:35:43,130 --> 01:35:45,100 This is why rational people, 1937 01:35:45,140 --> 01:35:46,760 anti-religionists, 1938 01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:48,770 must end their timidity and come out of the closet 1939 01:35:48,810 --> 01:35:50,600 and assert themselves. 1940 01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:53,840 And those who consider themselves only moderately religious 1941 01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:55,940 really need to look in the mirror and realize 1942 01:35:55,980 --> 01:35:58,570 that the solace and comfort that religion brings you 1943 01:35:58,620 --> 01:36:01,410 actually comes at a terrible price. 1944 01:36:01,450 --> 01:36:04,480 It says in the last days there'll be wars, rumors of wars. 1945 01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:06,750 The Bible prophesies from the Book of Revelation... 1946 01:36:06,790 --> 01:36:08,780 they're going to be fulfilled! 1947 01:36:08,830 --> 01:36:10,790 Can this be accomplished without violence? 1948 01:36:10,830 --> 01:36:13,990 - No. - Islam ruling the world, 1949 01:36:14,030 --> 01:36:15,330 global jihad. 1950 01:36:15,370 --> 01:36:16,960 - Who will win out? - We'll win. 1951 01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,260 That's for God to decide on Judgment Day. 1952 01:36:29,150 --> 01:36:32,380 If you belonged to a political party or a social club 1953 01:36:32,420 --> 01:36:35,780 that was tied to as much bigotry, misogyny, 1954 01:36:35,820 --> 01:36:37,550 homophobia, violence 1955 01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:39,820 and sheer ignorance as religion is, 1956 01:36:39,860 --> 01:36:41,410 you'd resign in protest. 1957 01:36:41,460 --> 01:36:43,890 To do otherwise is to be an enabler, 1958 01:36:43,930 --> 01:36:45,720 a Mafia wife, 1959 01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,490 with the true devils of extremism 1960 01:36:48,530 --> 01:36:49,960 that draw their legitimacy 1961 01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:52,370 from the billions of their fellow travelers. 1962 01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:56,070 If the world does come to an end here or wherever, 1963 01:36:56,110 --> 01:36:59,200 or if it limps into the future, decimated by the effects 1964 01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:02,300 of a religion-inspired nuclear terrorism, 1965 01:37:02,350 --> 01:37:04,510 let's remember what the real problem was: 1966 01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:07,680 That we learned how to precipitate mass death 1967 01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:10,550 before we got past the neurological disorder 1968 01:37:10,590 --> 01:37:12,950 of wishing for it. 1969 01:37:12,990 --> 01:37:16,720 That's it. Grow up or die. 1970 01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:22,990 We are in a conflict between good and evil. 1971 01:40:45,070 --> 01:40:47,630 See you in heaven. 1972 01:40:47,670 --> 01:40:49,300 Who knows? 1973 01:40:50,710 --> 01:40:52,680 Yeah, exactly.